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Post by SP4313 on Feb 5, 2007 21:34:04 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
I am new to this site, but have been listening / playing Cat Stevens songs for 35 years. I just figured out how Cat played
"If I laugh" two months ago, and about 30 minutes ago I figured out how he played "Rubylove". I play by ear and just started reading tabs a couple months back, but I would like to share these songs. How do I post tabs on this site?
I plan on sharing how these songs are played on YOUTUBE as soon as I get a webcam.
For now I can tell you, both songs are tuned the same:
Tune low E down to D, then tune the guitar from low D like an open E tuning (E,B,E,G#,B,E), capo on the second fret... and you're back to an open E tuning without snapping the "G" string.
I've always wanted to play Rubylove the way it's played on the album, and tonight I decided to sit down with the guitar until I figured it out. Now that I figured out the tuning, it's actually very easy to play. Thanks in advance for your help.
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 6, 2007 1:28:05 GMT -5
Here are the beginning chords in the order that they're played (left to right):
000707 000505 000000 000304 000000 070700 000000 020100
020100 000000 020100 040300 020100 000000
000707 000505 000304 000102 000000
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Post by Leonard on Feb 6, 2007 7:26:51 GMT -5
Hi SP4313,
Welcome to majicat.com.
About "If I Laugh": In my opinion, Steve played it with an original open E tuning with Alun who plays along with barré chords and standard tuning. This can also be seen in one of his Concerts (Old Grey Whistle Test), which is on the Majikat DVD.
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Post by workahollis1 on Feb 6, 2007 8:08:47 GMT -5
Jacky~
E,B,E,G#,B,E is open E tuning. SP4313 just wants to save the neck of his guitar and his stings and tunes down so he can fit the capo on the 2nd fret. instead of tuning up 1 whole step for the A, D and a half step for the G string. Your talking about the same tuning. You're correct! Cat didn't use a capo but he still used open E. Maybe it was because he had that Gibson J200 that could take it. I have a black Ovation 1719 custom legend, a nice guitar $1,400 I would prefer not to test how well the bridge could take that extra pressure of tuning up 3 strings instead of tuning down the others and putting on a capo. My guitar means too much to me.
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 6, 2007 18:02:52 GMT -5
Hi Jacky and Kristian,
You're right, I tuned down to keep the tension off the neck and bridge. Thanks to both of you for sharing tabs here. Can't wait to get into the classical ending of Peace Train.
Jacky, I'll have to get the Majikat DVD. I've never seen "If I Laugh" played before and would love to check it out.
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Post by workahollis1 on Feb 6, 2007 20:27:08 GMT -5
Good to have you aboard our little peace train. I can't wait to see what you come up with. Always good to have a new perspective!
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Post by workahollis1 on Feb 7, 2007 15:43:41 GMT -5
As for your question how do you place tabs on line. Heres the answer Christine our gentle site monitor sent me when I had the same question. I sent mine in from using notepad. Just try to make sure its not very wide only as wide as it needs to be without needing the scroll bar across the bottom. Also it's ok to just tab or chord one verse and one chorus or middle 8. as it's repeated the same way. Just take examples from all of ours. Also don't expect the tab to be up right away. Christine has a big workload with alot of other things from the site and sometimes it takes a week.
(I'd love to place your tab up on line.
Send your tab to majicat@msn.com in either "works" or "Txt" format.
Christine)
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 7, 2007 23:09:08 GMT -5
Okay, I fixed the chords in the second post. Sorry (like I said, I've only been reading tabs for a couple months).
Gino
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Post by Leonard on Feb 9, 2007 4:52:11 GMT -5
Jacky~ E,B,E,G#,B,E is open E tuning. SP4313 just wants to save the neck of his guitar and his stings and tunes down so he can fit the capo on the 2nd fret. instead of tuning up 1 whole step for the A, D and a half step for the G string. Your talking about the same tuning. You're correct! Cat didn't use a capo but he still used open E. Maybe it was because he had that Gibson J200 that could take it. I have a black Ovation 1719 custom legend, a nice guitar $1,400 I would prefer not to test how well the bridge could take that extra pressure of tuning up 3 strings instead of tuning down the others and putting on a capo. My guitar means too much to me. I know, Workahollis. But really, if a Custom Ovation cant stand it, no guitar can. ^.^ It's not really a problem for any guitar, cheap or not (though not too cheap), (especially not for steel-strings) to tune up the strings a few half-tones, in my opinion. I also own an Ovation guitar (left-hand  ). |
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 9, 2007 19:43:19 GMT -5
Well, another advantage to tuning down instead of up is saving the G string. There's more tension on that string to begin with, and I currently have 2 sets of new strings that I had to borrow the G string from because of tuning up.
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Post by workahollis1 on Feb 10, 2007 17:37:21 GMT -5
Against my better judgement I decided to try tuning my guitar up instead of using the capo and tuning down. I was very nervous especially when I got to the G string. But You were right Jacky it took it just fine. The big reason I had for trying it other that curiosity was that I noticed turning it down I heard a slight buzz because the strings were too loose especially on the small e string. I like the Ovation alot because of where the tuning pegs are installed. It just makes sense putting them directly above the corresponding nut groove instead of off to one side like most other guitars are made. Sometimes on other guitars the stings almost touch eachother above the nut. My ovation also has that cool on board tuner on it making alternate tunings a snap. I'm bragging now so I'll shut up.
Gino Good job on your tab. I always played it instandard tuning with a capo on 2 in D. But what you did sounds great. I can hear now that part in there. I guess it would sound even better if one guitar was in standard playing DJ's version with your open E tuning on a second guitar. I would help fill out everything nicely. Most people don't have access to a Bouzouki or what ever that other instrument is called. The tuning also make perfect sense considering it comes right before "If I laugh" on Teaser. Why would Steve use that tuning only one time? Exactly! he didn't! Good job Gino. I can't wait till you've finished "If I laugh"
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 10, 2007 21:23:28 GMT -5
I am playing an ovation also, though not quite as nice as yours (my mom bought it for me for my 15th birthday back in 1975 at around $400). It's the one out of 3 guitars I have that I can tune down without buzzing.
About 100 years ago I used to own a mandolin that looked like a bouzouki. It didn't play well though. It probably wasn't a very high quality instrument. Athough the bouzouki is a larger instrument, I'll bet that solo could be played on a mandolin and sound really nice.
I'm glad you liked the tab Kristian. I actually started working on "If I laugh" and "How Can I Tell You" at the same time as "Rubylove", and already have a revised "Rubylove". It has the third verse, the Ahs and Oooos, and alternate chords after the first verse so you're not just strumming the same chord for so long if you're playing alone. I'll try to get "If I Laugh" finished soon.
Gino
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Post by SP4313 on Feb 25, 2007 20:15:29 GMT -5
The revised "Rubylove" tab is up. Note the chord change in the "Key change to G". The 3rd chord in the key change was (373333) and is now changed to (575655). I also added alternate chords at the bottom for the "ahhs" after the first verse. The alternate chords carry more of the melody if you're playing alone.
Gino
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