What Songs R U working on? ( How Can I Tell You)

[SP4313]

This is a test:.

 
.                         "HOW CAN I TELL YOU"
.                               For single Guitar
.       By Cat Stevens (From Teaser And The Firecat) 1971

.                 Arranged and tabbed by Gino De Felicis (SP4313)



.         Standard tuning    H = hammer    S = slide    X = do not play

.   Em        

[---0-----5------x7------------------------------------------*
[---0-----5------x7---------7----------7---H8----------------*
[---0-----6-------7--H9--9-----7-----------------------------*
[---2-----7------x7--------------------7---H9----------------*
[---2-----7------x7------------------------------------------*
[---0-----5-------7--H9--9-----10----------------------------*


Yes, it worked! Thank you Jacky and Sun. This will make communication about songs much easier.

Gino

[suncatcher]

I'm glad you got it to work, Gino. I'm sure Kristian will get it to work, too.

The guitar tabs are such an integral part of Majicat - it's nice to see them looking so sharp!

~Sun~

[Chris]

Very good catch Sun! I never noticed the code tab on the tags, or maybe I noticed it but never realized what it is used for. It's nice that the guys can talk musical tabs now and actually write out what they are talking about.

It also works when trying to explain how to post pictures... or urls with text. You can write out the whole tag without having to give it spacers.

[img]url of your image[/img]
[url=http://yoururl.com]text[/url]

[suncatcher]

admin said:

Very good catch Sun! I never noticed the code tab on the tags, or maybe I noticed it but never realized what it is used for. It's nice that the guys can talk musical tabs now and actually write out what they are talking about.

It also works when trying to explain how to post pictures... or urls with text. You can write out the whole tag without having to give it spacers.

[img]url of your image[/img]
[url=http://yoururl.com]text[/url]

Hi, Christine!

All the credit goes to Jacky, not me. I read Jacky's post and just helped explain a little. Actually, I didn't notice the "Insert Code" tab (#) until you just mentioned it. You're right. It's great for explaining how to post pictures.
~Sun~

[Chris]

Your right, Sun. I hadn't read far enough back (page 2) to read Jacky's post. Thanks Jacky for locating the codes tag. This really should help the musicians in discussing guitar tabs.

[Leonard]

My final version:

HOW CAN I TELL YOU
Music & text by Cat Stevens




CAPO 7th FRET
STANDARD TUNING

INTRO

______Am____________________Dsus5__________________D/F#______________G_______C/G______
E ----------|------------|---------|------------|----------------|--------------------|
B -----1----|------------|----3----|------------|-----------0----|---------0—-h1~~----|
G -----2----|------------|----2----|------------|--0-h2--2-------|---0----------------|
D -----2----|------------|----0----|------------|-----------0----|---------0—-h2~~----|
A -----0----|------------|----0----|------------|----------------|--------------------|
E ----------|------------|---------|------------|--0-h2--2-------|---3~~--------------|

____Asus4add9________D/F#______________________________G_____C/G_________C____C/B_____
E -----------------|-------------------------|-----------------------|----------------|
B -----------------|----------(3)------------|----0---------0-h1~~---|----------------|
G ---4~~---2(\)0---|--2~~--(2)---(2)--0-h2---|-2-------0-------------|------0----0----|
D -----------------|-------(0)---------------|----0---------0-h2~~---|----------------|
A ---5~~---3(\)2---|-------------------------|-----------------------|---3----2-------|
E -----------------|--2~~-------------0-h2---|-2-------3~~-----------|----------------|


BREAK

____Asus4add9________D/F#______________________________G_____C/G_________C____C/B_____
E -----------------|-------------------------|-----------------------|----------------|
B -----------------|----------(3)------------|----0---------0-h1~~---|----------------|
G ---4~~---2(\)0---|--2~~--(2)---(2)--0-h2---|-2-------0-------------|------0----0----|
D -----------------|-------(0)---------------|----0---------0-h2~~---|----------------|
A ---5~~---3(\)2---|-------------------------|-----------------------|---3----2-------|
E -----------------|--2~~-------------0-h2---|-2-------3~~-----------|----------------|
____Woh,___oh-oh_____-oh!____________Oh-woh,__oh---oh,woh!  


NOTES
* Numbers in brackets are proposed notes to play that are either not played by the first
  guitar and thus fills in the gaps, or just a proposed playing technique.


[SP4313]

Very nice Jacky. I just played it and it sounds great. Is the reason you play this part like this and not the way I wrote it underneath to hear the squeeking of the strings?

E ---------------------l----------
B ---------------------l----------
G ----4-----2(/)0------l--2------
D ---------------------l---------
A ----5-----3(/)2------l----------
E ---------------------l--2------



E ---------------------l------------
B ---0-----------------l------------
G -----------2(/)0-----l--2--------
D ---0-----------------l-------------
A -----------3(/)2-----l------------
E----------------------l--2--------

[Leonard]

Yes, and to vibrato/let it ring a tad - just my taste. This way you can vary it a tad letting the higher note ring, etc. But it's just a minor thing. Here a wee variation:

E -------------------|------
B -------------------|------
G -----4~~---2(\)0---|--2~~-
D -------------------|------
A ---5-------3(\)2---|------
E -------------------|--2~~-

Regarding playing guitar I got to say that I very much like to play more like Steve (in his quirky manner), thus you will see things like thumb-over-neck barre's, hammering with the thumb a lot when watching me playing. Steve was an autodidact teaching himself guitar and piano (piano is such a nice instrument to play) - and I think he did a fabulous job with compositions & arrangements of unparalled beauty and creativity. I think one should always play the way he feels most comfortable with.

I think the rest of DJ's tab is really fine work, and I wouldn't know what to make better there at the moment - except maybe adding a bit more variety in the hammering part of the verses (G G/C) reducing the hammering making things more hearable.

Regarding your non-barre version don't you think an Asus5 would sound better there instead of a 5th fret A:

|---0-----|---5----|
|---0-----|---5----|
|---0-----|---2----|
|---2-----|---2----|
|---2-----|---0----|
|---0-----|--------|


[SP4313]

The Asus5 has more of a drone sound because it's made up of only two different notes and sounds good too. I'm not sure it sounds better, because the two chords are so close. Actually, Asus5 has the same exact notes as A on the 5th fret minus C#.

I've got most of my single guitar version of "HCITY" tabbed and should be sending it to Christine soon. I'm also trying to get the video up by next week.

Gino

[Leonard]

But all sus-chords have the same notes than the major/minor chords minus the major/minor third (and for sus5 replaced by the fifth which is E again for A major/minor). But it's your choice, of course, as it's your tab .

[SP4313]

Jacky, this is the kind of stuff that you and Kristian discuss that is completely Greek to me. I've had no musical schooling of any kind. Everything I play or know about music is learned by ear. But God has blessed me with a really good ear.
Thanks for the new info.

Gino

[Leonard]

I neither have an "official" musical schooling, but it's easy to learn it all by yourself (best to be done with a piano as the arrangement of tone/notes is more linear). I think Steve wasn't able to read notes until he had a good look at "Morning Has Broken," and honestly said, reading/writing notes or assembling chords note-wise isn't really necessary. Composing is still best to be done with a guitar AND a piano in my opinion.

[workahollis1]

I don't know much about reading notes either. to me a suspended chord is like the major 3rd saying "please after you" It kind of bows out and lets the 2nd or 4th come in. It's good easy way to add tension to the chord that your already holding and it's usually right there in reach. Yusuf uses alot of these because they always sound good. I Don't think that there is a ASUS5 only a A5 because the 3rd(C#) is never suspended but the E is replaced with another A.
It's easy to label chords it's like this. 7 notes. Take A chord for example; A=root, B=2nd, C=3rd, D=4th, E=5th, F=6th, G=7th. A major chord is made with the Root + 5th +3rd# only 3 notes. Plus the base which is the same as root only lower. X02220 X,A,E,A,C#,E
5th chords only contain root and 5th notes to make the chord such as A and E as many as you want. The more A's and E's there are in different octaves the more it will ring like a twelve string. Confused? I am. But this is correct info. I had to go to one of my books to refresh my memory. Oh and a minor chord is made using the same system only keeping the 3rd natural instead of making it sharp. You can apply this to any chord Just start with any note as root and count until you come back to root. Example. ABCDEFG Or I can star with D DEFGABC That would make D root and C the 7th. Which make sense because a D7 has a C in it. Cool or what?

[SP4313]

I'll have to work on that. This is my downfall as a "real" musician. Even as a kid I could always just hear the chords or notes. When the guys I played with were laboring through figuring out how something was played and writing it all out, I was already finished with the song because I could "hear" the chords. It was always much easier and faster just to listen to it. Unfortunately, I never learned the makeup of chord structure. So even today as I tab out a song, I can write out all the exact notes but don't know the names of a lot of chords I'm playing outside of the major, minor , and suspended. This is why I write the chords out like (024000) so you guys will know the chord I'm playing. As You and Jacky write out "Asus4add9" and chords like that, it's all Greek and I have no clue what that means. The difference between my youth and today is now I'm trying to understand what it is I'm playing.

Thanks for the info Kristian. I'll give it a good look again and see if I can figure it out.

Gino

[workahollis1]

OK I'm going to try this. This is what I see and Hear Cat playing on the You tube version of HCITY. He sit's there strumming and that pinky comes down and hits the F# on the D string. Here's how it's played. As I see it. It sounds great when layered over Aluns part on some music recording software. I did both parts and it's sounding very good.
            Where    ever     I  Am girl        I'm Always walkin w/U        
G     EM                          A                   D     D/F# G
             dn up      dn  up       dn up      dn up     dn
I--------------------------------------0--0-------0-0-----------------------------I
I--------------0---0-------0---0-------2--2-------2-2------3----------------------I
I----0--0------0---0-------0---0-----2-2--2-----2-2-2----2-2--0--------0--0---0---I
I-----------2--2---2----2--2---2----------------------0---------4--0--------------I
I---------------------------------0-----------0-----------------------------------I
I--3--2--0------------0--------------------------------------------3--3--3--2--0--I/[code]

[workahollis1]

I guess I'm stupid I still couldn't get it to work. I'll try capital letters
            Where    ever     I  Am girl        I'm Always walkin w/U        
G     EM                          A                   D     D/F# G
             dn up      dn  up       dn up      dn up     dn
I--------------------------------------0--0-------0-0-----------------------------I
I--------------0---0-------0---0-------2--2-------2-2------3----------------------I
I----0--0------0---0-------0---0-----2-2--2-----2-2-2----2-2--0--------0--0---0---I
I-----------2--2---2----2--2---2----------------------0---------4--0--------------I
I---------------------------------0-----------0-----------------------------------I
I--3--2--0------------0--------------------------------------------3--3--3--2--0--I/[CODE]

[workahollis1]

well not yet I guess I'll try putting in the / inside the brackets this time.
            Where    ever     I  Am girl        I'm Always walkin w/U        
G     EM                          A                   D     D/F# G
             dn up      dn  up       dn up      dn up     dn
I--------------------------------------0--0-------0-0-----------------------------I
I--------------0---0-------0---0-------2--2-------2-2------3----------------------I
I----0--0------0---0-------0---0-----2-2--2-----2-2-2----2-2--0--------0--0---0---I
I-----------2--2---2----2--2---2----------------------0---------4--0--------------I
I---------------------------------0-----------0-----------------------------------I
I--3--2--0------------0--------------------------------------------3--3--3--2--0--I

[workahollis1]

Wow it worked. only the wording at the top doesn't match where I wanted it and neither of the chords are in the right place.
PS every one read back to last page I have another message regarding naming chords before I made this big mess.

[workahollis1]

Thats the best way to do it. It hurts my head too to try to name chords. For one thing there are so many ways to play the same chord. Writing it out such as 007655 is much better and everyone understands it. The info I got out there was just good to know stuff and it is kind of cool in case you ever want to know why chords are named the way they are. And I got it straight from a book i'm reading. So I'm no musical genious either. If it sounds good it must be right.

[SP4313]

Okay , now we've all got down how to post our tabs here on a thread.

Kristian, I see how you're playing it. This is what you meant by picking and strumming right? You and I are looking at the song the same way, playing it from (Andy's) the lower open position. Jacky is playing the song from Alun's guitar part which to me is the nicer sounding part. I am playing the whole song picked in the lower position with Alun's parts in the lower position too. I think you'll like it. Between the two parts, there's a lot happening on the fretboard. What's the music book called that you're reading?

Jacky, because you're so fond of Alun's part, I think my version will just be another way to play HCITY. I have always played the song from the lower position, but Alun's part is so beautiful that I sometimes play the entire song from the 7th fret too.

I will finish the tab tonight, but I think the video will really help in how the parts sound together.

Gino

[workahollis1]

It's called "How to Write Songs on Guitar" By Rooky Ricksby. This is exactly what I meant by Picking and strummning. I think this is basically how Yusuf plays most every one of his 4 beat measure songs. Very Nice effect. Just base note mid not strumm strumm. It kind of adds all kinds of cool sounds. Better sometimes than just strumming outright. Also it is very natural. I also like Aluns part better because it is more pronounced in the song. But the lower position just fills it out all the way even though you can barely hear it. Just pay close attn to Cat and that pinky finger down to the F# from the D Chord xx0232 to xx0032 to xx4x32. That back fills the Alun part where he does the same thing an octave higher.
I can't wait to see how everything comes out Gino.

[SP4313]

That's the reason I play it in the lower position too. The lower notes give the song the fulness that the higher notes on the 7th fret can't bring. And you'll be surprised at how much of Andy's part you can actually hear, you just don't realize those notes are coming from his guitar. I don't know of another CS song where 2 guitars are blended so beautifully together, and I can't think of another song where Alun's guitar part actually carries the song like this one. I would play the whole song on the 7th fret if I could play the lower notes with it too. I guess that's why it's played on two guitars.

Gino

[workahollis1]

You could play it with a capo at the 7th fret and get the low notes if you had a 7 string guitar. Theres is a nice classical
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I'd send you the link but you know how they flip when they see a long link.

[Leonard]

workahollis1 said:

I don't know much about reading notes either. to me a suspended chord is like the major 3rd saying "please after you" It kind of bows out and lets the 2nd or 4th come in. It's good easy way to add tension to the chord that your already holding and it's usually right there in reach. Yusuf uses alot of these because they always sound good. I Don't think that there is a ASUS5 only a A5 because the 3rd(C#) is never suspended but the E is replaced with another A.
It's easy to label chords it's like this. 7 notes. Take A chord for example; A=root, B=2nd, C=3rd, D=4th, E=5th, F=6th, G=7th. A major chord is made with the Root + 5th +3rd# only 3 notes. Plus the base which is the same as root only lower. X02220 X,A,E,A,C#,E
5th chords only contain root and 5th notes to make the chord such as A and E as many as you want. The more A's and E's there are in different octaves the more it will ring like a twelve string. Confused? I am. But this is correct info. I had to go to one of my books to refresh my memory. Oh and a minor chord is made using the same system only keeping the 3rd natural instead of making it sharp. You can apply this to any chord Just start with any note as root and count until you come back to root. Example. ABCDEFG Or I can star with D DEFGABC That would make D root and C the 7th. Which make sense because a D7 has a C in it. Cool or what?

But you always have to use the correct scale from which you begin with your root, otherwise this will mess up other chords that you might want to assemble like maj or other sus, etc. Let's have a look at the D scale:

D (root)__E__F#__G__A__B__C#__(D)

D major consists of the first note (1 - the root), the third (3), and the fifth (5). Thus, D(1)--F#(3)--A(5), whereas D minor (Dm) always has a minor third (3-) - D(1)--F(3-)--A(5). Sus chords are suspended ones. Let's take Dsus4: the third is always replaced by the tone indicated - this time by the 4th note of the D scale = D G A adding tension to the chord.

Another example would be major 7 chords, such as Dmaj7 extending the D chord with a major 7: have a look at the D scale again: D(1)--F#(3)--A(5)--C#(7). The "normal" 7 chords (D7, E7, etc.) are scale-untypical chords that always demand a minor 7 (7-) of the given scale. Our beloved D7 would be D--F#--A--C(7-) then. As you can see the C doesn't actually belong to the D scale. That's why the chord sounds slightly queer, but greatly harmonizes into the G chord(s).

As for the A(sus)5 chord. Well, philosophical it's a sus for me because the third (which is a C#) is replaced by the fifth (E) again. Unfortunately we already have the fifth in the chord: Normal A --A(1)--C#(3)--E(5) turns into A(sus)5 just like this A(1)--E(5)--E(5).

I think it is important to give the player the correct chord for a tab. This way he can memorize it much easier, and also sees how the song works. Giving the fingering is a way, but it surely messes up the formatting, and also the flow in which you could play the song the first time. The more chords you know the better you can celebrate a song and mix in fabulous mid-chords blenders.

[Leonard]

Have you guys thought about using eJamming Audio? This way we could jam online and in-sync - and try out the one or other song/arrangement or idea, or even set up whole Cat Stevens eJamming events. You would have to plug your guitar into your PC, though or use a mic for recording it.

[workahollis1]

eJamming Audio sounds cool. Send the link and any instructions. That would have been great to have last night.

[Leonard]

Sign up for the beta to get your key, and download the program here: www.ejamming.com/download/

[workahollis1]

I just signed up for ejamming. I'm workahollis also on that. lets try this out.

[Leonard]

We did a little eJamming session, workahollis and me (I'm also Jacky at eJamming). While the sound was really good, we had some problems with the delay, especially when singing as it is confusing to hear your own voice delayed for some mili-seconds. That's why it was no wonder we got out of the rhythm quite often.

For sharing ideas and all that it is perfect, though. It would have been great if we had a video feature, too (though I got no camera yet), so that we can actually see what the other is playing (and where on the fretboard).

[zvon]

workahollis1 said:

I guess I'm stupid I still couldn't get it to work. I'll try capital letters
            Where    ever     I  Am girl        I'm Always walkin w/U        
G     EM                          A                   D     D/F# G
             dn up      dn  up       dn up      dn up     dn
I--------------------------------------0--0-------0-0-----------------------------I
I--------------0---0-------0---0-------2--2-------2-2------3----------------------I
I----0--0------0---0-------0---0-----2-2--2-----2-2-2----2-2--0--------0--0---0---I
I-----------2--2---2----2--2---2----------------------0---------4--0--------------I
I---------------------------------0-----------0-----------------------------------I
I--3--2--0------------0--------------------------------------------3--3--3--2--0--I/[CODE][/quote]

Workahollis,
I used to have the same problem lining up tab work.
I found out the reason was the font I was using.
When laying out a tab, try using the "Courier New" font.

It keeps with the proper spacing needed to line up the information.