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Post by Aisha on Jun 4, 2003 17:37:37 GMT -5
Faithful, I have gotten on the bad side of some Arabs because they thought that suicide bombers were noble...Nobel my butt...I agree, they are murderers, not Martyrs. Please know that not all Arabs and Middle Eastern people believe that suicide bombings are right. It is just a few of them. Islam forbids suicide and murder which these people are doing.
I have always thought that a martyr was one who stood up for God and died doing so.
I saw where there was a Peace meeting in Aqaba, Jordan earlier today. I hope it will help.
Love,
A'isha
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Post by faithfullight on Jun 4, 2003 17:56:12 GMT -5
Faithful, I have gotten on the bad side of some Arabs because they thought that suicide bombers were noble...Nobel my butt...I agree, they are murderers, not Martyrs. Please know that not all Arabs and Middle Eastern people believe that suicide bombings are right. It is just a few of them. Islam forbids suicide and murder which these people are doing. I have always thought that a martyr was one who stood up for God and died doing so. I saw where there was a Peace meeting in Aqaba, Jordan earlier today. I hope it will help. Love, A'isha Those who die doing the work of God are doing things that lead to peace and love. I cannot see any way that a suicide bomber is demonstrating the way of peace. Since Islam is supposed to teach the ways of peace, then I cannot for the likes of me understand why some radical Muslims think that it is right to murder others. Are their heads screwed on backwards or what! There has to be a way to re-teach them and directing them to follow the path of peace and love. This is where I hope and pray that Yusuf's schools are trying to guide so that this twisted concept doesn't continue in Islam. I wish I knew more of what he teaches in his schools. I really wish I could visit them. Is there a list or guidelines listed somewhere about Yusuf's intentions in his schools? Faithfullight |
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Post by Vivian on Jun 4, 2003 20:30:11 GMT -5
I think there are some links on MOUNTAIN OF LIGHT!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by faithfullight on Jun 5, 2003 10:50:04 GMT -5
Vivian,
I've visited the links to those sites, but I haven't found any guidelines about what he teaches....yet. I haven't found what I'm looking for. There is so much to read, maybe I just didn't find the right document.
Does anyone know of any outline of criteria of teaching in his schools?
Peace,
Faithfullight
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Post by Vivian on Jun 5, 2003 10:52:37 GMT -5
I think A'isha would have the link! I am sure she will post it when she sees this later!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Aisha on Jun 5, 2003 11:07:33 GMT -5
Faithful, I think there is a link at Yusuf's site for the schools, but it may be best to write to the schools and see if they can send you information about what their curriculum teaches.
I think the best thing to do is reach the very young Muslims and teach them but getting around the parents' attitudes is the problem since most teaching in Islam is in the home.
Love,
A'isha
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Post by Vivian on Jun 5, 2003 11:15:49 GMT -5
Faithful, try contacting the webmaster over at www.yusufislam.org.uk and ask if he can send you some information! He's a nice guy! Peace,Vivian |
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Post by faithfullight on Jun 5, 2003 11:36:21 GMT -5
Faithful, I think there is a link at Yusuf's site for the schools, but it may be best to write to the schools and see if they can send you information about what their curriculum teaches. I think the best thing to do is reach the very young Muslims and teach them but getting around the parents' attitudes is the problem since most teaching in Islam is in the home. Love, A'isha One of the problems of evolving into the right path is the ignorance and misguided attitudes of past generations. This still poses a problem with many children who are born into abusive homes of which their parents came from abusive homes, etc. They don't seem to realize that the cycle of abuse needs to stop with them! It's hard to counsel parents or guardians if we don't know which ones abuse. But the word needs to get out to stop the hatred from passing along down the lines of generations. This is where I truly hope and pray that Yusuf is trying to get through to the young students. People need to be encouraged to come forward in the event of being taught the negative, abusive path that the extreme radical people (who think like Bin laden), so they can be corrected. There needs to be a clear way drawn out for the people to understand that killing does not lead people toward peace. Islam is supposed to lead people toward peace, peace, peace, peace! Why is this so difficult to see? Why do people support killing? Death is the complete opposite of life. They need to focus on living and allowing others to live. We weren't born to be the judge of others without allowing them the opportunity to discover God in their lives. God is the judge, so we need to hand over the judment to Him! A'isha, I know that you realize that I am not directing my words toward you. Again, I think that you are a very wise person who thinks about God's guidance without relying on men's errors of judgement. I'm just ranting on again about the stupidity of people's choices. It just is so senseless that I can't stand the ignorance! UGGGGGHHH! Faithfullight |
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Post by Aisha on Jun 5, 2003 11:40:36 GMT -5
Faithful, I know you aren't directing things to me. I rant too...  Love, A'isha |
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Post by faithfullight on Jun 7, 2003 12:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by Aisha on Jun 7, 2003 14:14:35 GMT -5
Faithful, thank you for posting that link. It was wonderful. I think I will share the link at Tolerance.org. They have a entire thread devoted to this sort of thing.
Love,
A'isha
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Post by faithfullight on Jun 7, 2003 14:33:53 GMT -5
A'isha,
That's a good idea. And it will also promote good news that Yusuf in connected to this school that teaches that we can get along with each other by not trying to dominate others.
Peace,
Faithfullight
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Post by Vivian on Jun 7, 2003 19:53:55 GMT -5
That's a great link, and perfect for tolerance.org!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by 100dreamer on Aug 5, 2003 4:29:29 GMT -5
I think as a follower of the guidelines himself that generally the guidelines are embodied in Yusuf's public statements and islamic records.
In particular "the life of he last prophet(peace be upon him)" is one of the cornerstones of teaching islam. I think that is why Yusuf produced it and made it his first recording. There are so many valuable lessons in the story of islam. Each part of that story can be expanded on with more details from sound narrations and from parts of the quran. Lessons can and are based on these parts in the islamic school subjects...from art to math.
It might be hard to imagine but it actually works seamlessly as islam does not divide science and religion or even sociology and religion or any part of learning and religion(the term "religion" can be misleading...maybe "spiritual tradition" is a better term). the spiritual tradition of islam gives one insight and guidance for study towards spreading mercy on earth.
peace 2 u,
-anwar
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Post by faithfullight on Aug 5, 2003 9:19:18 GMT -5
I think as a follower of the guidelines himself that generally the guidelines are embodied in Yusuf's public statements and islamic records. Thanks anwar. I've read a lot of his public statements, but they seem to only hit on the outter edge of very important lessons. I feel that Yusuf understands the way of peace, but I am hoping that he will start to dig into the concepts of peace that many people don't seem to grasp. I mean, sure, the Qur'an teaches about peace, but do most people understand how to obtain that peace for our world? Since the world reflects so much violence, even within the division of Islamic groups, then we have to admit that some people do not understand the ways of peace. I want to see some indepth instruction which isn't twisted to support bigotry or arrogance. Thanks Anwar. I haven't heard "The Life of the Last Prophet" yet. I never see it in stores but I will have to purchase it one day. I've asked people to share their opinions about this CD, but I haven't received any synopsis about it yet. But, what do you mean by this? This statement is so general and doesn't explain the concept. What do you mean by "spiritual tradition"? And how do you perceive it as guiding us to spread mercy on earth? I'm all for spreading mercy on earth, but I also see some Muslims who do the opposite! There are misguided people in all divisions of religion and it is to these misguided people that there needs to be revealed and taught that they are harming the cause of God. I want to see peace on earth! Do these misguided Muslims wish peace to all God-fearing people, even if they may not be a Muslim? They certainly have demonstrated and have also shared their interpretations of the scriptures which are misguided, that they feel superior to all other races and cultures. There has to be a way to turn our world around and to get these misguided religious fanatics (within whichever division of religion) to face their errors. The teachings of God are all around throughout all nations and communities, but they have their eyes closed! How can we open their eyes? Words just seem to go in one ear and find only empty air and exit through the other ear, never contemplating what they were told. How do you get people to stop following blindly and think seriously about their actions? Peace to you! May our world reflect peace! Faithfullight |
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Post by Vivian on Aug 5, 2003 9:33:05 GMT -5
[quote author=Faithfullight link=board=Yusuf&thread=1053229213&start=134#8 date=1060093158I want to see peace on earth! Do these misguided Muslims wish peace to all God-fearing people, even if they may not be a Muslim? They certainly have demonstrated and have also shared their interpretations of the scriptures which are misguided, that they feel superior to all other races and cultures. There has to be a way to turn our world around and to get these misguided religious fanatics (within whichever division of religion) to face their errors. The teachings of God are all around throughout all nations and communities, but they have their eyes closed! How can we open their eyes? Words just seem to go in one ear and find only empty air and exit through the other ear, never contemplating what they were told. How do you get people to stop following blindly and think seriously about their actions?
Peace to you! May our world reflect peace!
Faithfullight[/quote]
We all certainly wish for this, but much of the problem lies within the fact that these folks are misguided, because they were taught from birth to hate! It will never change, until one generations simply says ENOUGH, THIS IS NOT RIGHT! Then and only then, do we really have a chance for total peace! Yes, I do believe that is still possible!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by faithfullight on Aug 5, 2003 10:10:44 GMT -5
We all certainly wish for this, but much of the problem lies within the fact that these folks are misguided, because they were taught from birth to hate! It will never change, until one generations simply says ENOUGH, THIS IS NOT RIGHT! Then and only then, do we really have a chance for total peace! Yes, I do believe that is still possible! Peace,Vivian Maybe we need another hippy revolution: "love not hate". LOL! But, maybe this time without the drug scene and promiscuity!!! This is why I am interested in what Yusuf teaches in his schools. I don't want these misguided people to think that they, and only they, will go to Heaven just because of the "name" in which they call themselves. They don't get it that God looks at our hearts and WHO we are! God detests arrogance and those deeds of hate. God seeks the humble and the loving hearts. These loving, compassionate people will live in Heaven. The hateful, self-serving bigots will go where they belong, and it isn't Heaven. Faithfullight |
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Post by Vivian on Aug 5, 2003 10:44:22 GMT -5
Very well said, Faithful!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Aisha on Aug 5, 2003 13:30:56 GMT -5
Faithful biases and intolerance is often taught from birth. I have heard my ex telling our daughter that good Muslims are to hate Jews. I teach her otherwise and teach her that people are people no matter what their color or religion is, that there are good and bad people in all religions.
As for reaching those who propagate hate by using religion, I don't think they have real communication with God, (They are too filled with pride to connect with God) if they did they would not feel enough hatred to kill children just because they are Jewish/Muslim. I am speaking about both sides here. And the same thing goes for the Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants killing each other. Hate is hate, it has nothing to do with God. God is Merciful, God is compassionate. People seem to forget that aspect. I really believe that God is saddened when He sees all the hate that is happening in our world. We are His creation and we sure have messed things up.
People say, "You have to go to a certain church, attend a mosque or synagogue" to be right with God. Who says this is so? The organized religious leaders? I believe that there are people who love God and live as He would want them to live who have never stepped into a house of worship or joined a registry of a religion. Some of those people grasp the concepts of how a person should live for God better than the clergy do who teach the faiths. People are just too busy passing judgement and telling others how to live when each of us should be looking within ourselves to see how we can please God.
Faithful, I wish we could have a hippy movement. I can make signs..LOL
Love,
A'isha/K
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Post by faithfullight on Aug 5, 2003 15:10:41 GMT -5
Faithful biases and intolerance is often taught from birth. I have heard my ex telling our daughter that good Muslims are to hate Jews. I teach her otherwise and teach her that people are people no matter what their color or religion is, that there are good and bad people in all religions. Muslims who hate Jews are not spreading peace! They're bigots and destroyers of human lives! The Qur'an gave permission to defend ourselves in the event of being attacked. That doesn't give anyone the right to attack others just because they call themselves by a different "name". I agree with you, A'isha. God is love. Hate destroys, while love heals. I agree, but we can't forget that there are good, pious, devoted clergy. We just need to use our brains to distinguish one from the other. That would be fun! And we can get out the Cat Stevens songs! Hurray! Come on Peace Train! It's about time to make a change! Love, Faithfullight |
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Post by Aisha on Aug 5, 2003 15:16:35 GMT -5
Hey Faithful, I can still play "The Times They Are-A-Changin'" on the guitar.  Love ya, A/K |
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Post by faithfullight on Aug 5, 2003 15:45:22 GMT -5
We'll sing together while we ride that great celestial train homeward in the sky. Come take me home again!
Faithfullight
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Post by Vivian on Aug 5, 2003 21:08:56 GMT -5
We'll sing together while we ride that great celestial train homeward in the sky. Come take me home again! Faithfullight I am ready ANY TIME!! Peace,Vivian |
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