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Post by faithfullight on Nov 8, 2003 0:11:52 GMT -5
Christine,
I have no intentions of getting into a volitile discussion with anyone. If people cannot discuss something without getting bossy, rude, or snobbish, then I want nothing to do with the topic. I can't see why people can't discuss any topic of concern with decency and respect toward other posters. Christine, I know very well the intentions of some posters on this forum because I can see the comments and tactics that they had used before which eventually ended with them sending ugly, disrespectful pm's to try to manipulate people behind the scenes so that other posters don't know what they do. I don't see where it is any of their business to tell me what I can or cannot say. And it sure is not their priviledge to judge me when I had not any ill intentions in the first place. If no one wants to discuss what this thread lead into, then fine. I won't.
~Faithfullight
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Post by Daddy-o on Nov 8, 2003 2:30:18 GMT -5
It's the negativity and what is implied that is a concern as far as I'm concerned. It just gets out of hand and there ends up with a massive carbuncle on such a good website. I'm all for free speech and democracy but this is the wrong forum for such intensity.
Yusuf and Muslims want peace and are opposed to terrorism! In any community or religion you'll get extremists. There's no need for so much hot air on a site promoting the good work of Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam. I'm off to play my Edwin Starr records.
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Post by Whisper on Nov 8, 2003 9:43:33 GMT -5
I'm all for free speech and democracy but this is the wrong forum for such intensity. ditto that thought. |
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Post by Aisha on Nov 8, 2003 11:12:25 GMT -5
Still, my question has hot been answered, "What do the Flaming Lips sound like?".... ;D ;D ;D ;D Hmmmm, if I could only divert their attention from the heated discussion...  Love, C |
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Post by Lucy13 on Nov 8, 2003 18:15:47 GMT -5
Did anyone ever volunteer to translate the German interview from it's original? (blushing)... yes, I volunteered. But I slacked... so therefore... it never happened. I WILL see if I can get it done one of these days... may take a while.  |
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Post by Vivian on Nov 8, 2003 23:17:30 GMT -5
Still, my question has hot been answered, "What do the Flaming Lips sound like?".... ;D ;D ;D ;D Hmmmm, if I could only divert their attention from the heated discussion... Love, C Well, they sure don't look like  Cat, :-*even though the lead singer tries to! Peace,Vivian |
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Post by faithfullight on Nov 10, 2003 12:38:47 GMT -5
Dear Christine,
This post is in between what Yusuf said from several of his interviews and it also is connected to what this thread evolved into. I don't know if it is appropriate to post it here or if you think it better to post at another location, that is fine.
I am so happy that Yusuf sees the need and the importance and value of teaching people the message of peace through music. As Yusuf said in the Q-News (October 2003), “Music can be a tool for social good as well as education and spiritual upliftment; it can also be corruptive and time-wasting, so we must always be on guard not to fall into those traps.” I do wish Yusuf all the best in his efforts to help bring an understanding to all people that all of mankind is one humanity and each and every one of us deserves to live with integrity and respect.
The problems of corruption occur in our world when any individual is driven with so much force for their ideas which were formed in ignorance that they project hatred, jealousy, or greed upon society. When people, who think like Osama bin laden, takes into their own hands the right to judge men as “infidels”, simply because they take it upon themselves to judge people, is acting in arrogance and self-righteousness -- not righteousness or justice. God is the only incorruptable judge, and only He has the rite to judge mankind. Is Osama bin laden without sin? Is he a perfect human being? How arrogant of him to judge non-Muslims as infidels while his own hands are dripping with innocent blood! I don’t believe that he knows the first concept of what it means to be “holy”.
Holiness is without blemish, without corruption, without fault. So how can he or any other person grant themselves permission to touch anything “holy” when they themselves are filled with corruption which overflows with crimes of passion fueled with hate, arrogance, and wanton destruction. God did not give him or any man the right to condemn men to death. Granted, there is a difference between self defense and protecting the innocent, but it is another to judge between men simply because they feel superior to them for one reason or another. Each and every human being had his/her beginning from the same Creator of all eternity, and each and every one of us will return to Him that gave us life and it is only God’s conviction that counts.
As Yusuf said on Tuesday, 26 August 2003, “some people were asserting distorted concepts with alarming responses such as projecting Muslims as a dangerous threat to Western civilization.” It is the atrocious deeds of men like Osama bin laden who have brought corruption to the message of peace of Islam. I agree with Yusuf that education is the means to “giving our children the ability to use their own minds and encouraging their desire to learn and serve God and humanity." I hope and pray that his Islamia schools have indeed brought insight and understanding to the next generation. I believe in OUR God who is loving, peaceful, merciful and forgiving. And I hope that the true message of peace is enlightened through Yusuf’s efforts in education and also through his music. Music has always been a way to touch the human heart and is a special means for communicating the message from the heart (which is universal) that merely words alone may be misunderstood. Yes, music “can fulfill a variety of roles within Islam. It can be social, educational, or spiritual. Those are good values for any music.” I agree with Yusuf on this account and indeed good values are the things that we must learn along the path of righteousness.
My hope and wish is for all people to live together in peace. I can't wait for this war or any war to end. I believe that all wars are inhumane ways to deal with conflicts between people. I do not support killing people simply because of differences in the ways that they wish to live their lives. But I still support that there are times when we have to intercept and help our fellow man when they are abused or ruled in abusive tyranny. I only support stopping the corruptive powers that force people to live in oppression. I do not support genocide or giving any one view of government dominance over the rest of the world. This last sentence is sensitive to me because I feel the injustice of it and I did feel hurt when Yusuf said, "against the hegemony of the U.S.A."
In peace,
Faithfullight
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Post by that’sDOCTOR2u on Nov 10, 2003 13:26:23 GMT -5
It's the negativity and what is implied that is a concern as far as I'm concerned. It just gets out of hand and there ends up with a massive carbuncle on such a good website. I'm all for free speech and democracy but this is the wrong forum for such intensity. Yusuf and Muslims want peace and are opposed to terrorism! In any community or religion you'll get extremists. There's no need for so much hot air on a site promoting the good work of Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam. I'm off to play my Edwin Starr records. Yes. Yes. Very well put. Now if it would just stop. This isn't the place to get into any kind of discussion of the very real existence of American hegemony. Certainly there are other political and/or religious boards where things like that could be discussed in depth. Comments on the article, fine - but I think the limit has been reached on anything new to contribute to that discussion. War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing. Say it again. Hehehehe, sorry got caught up in the Edwin Starr thing. On to newer topics and discussions Kim |
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Post by Whisper on Nov 10, 2003 13:56:47 GMT -5
 Ah...I feel better now |
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Nov 10, 2003 14:04:36 GMT -5
ain't nuthin but a hearbreaker, made only for the undertaker....
huuh!!!
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Post by that’sDOCTOR2u on Nov 10, 2003 14:37:06 GMT -5
Whisper, I love your emoticons. Where did you find them?
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Post by boneheadedwoman on Nov 14, 2003 12:03:07 GMT -5
Wow, this thread wound up going all over the place. Actually, I'm glad I missed it, while the fur was flying. I know I would not have been able to keep out of it. The translation was hilarious! I'm sure it was a great interview, so I hope it will be translated properly sometime soon. Since every one has now had the sense to drop the topic, I will not start it up again!  |
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Post by Vivian on Nov 14, 2003 12:12:26 GMT -5
Of course, I don't agree with everything Yusuf says. Of course, I know he is human, and makes errors, like the rest of us. All I am saying, is that I believe in his heart, because, no matter what he says, I always know his heart is in the right place. That, is what is always without question.
Peace,Vivian
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Cat, :-*even though the lead singer tries to! 
