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Post by SuzieQ on May 15, 2006 4:24:04 GMT -5
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Post by Vivian on May 15, 2006 5:32:24 GMT -5
Thanks.
Peace Train is a song I wrote, the message of which continues to breeze thunderously through the hearts of millions of human beings.
Cat Stevens
Peace,Vivian
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Post by johannah on May 16, 2006 7:56:38 GMT -5
nice suzie. TY
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Post by johannah on May 16, 2006 7:58:15 GMT -5
uh oh, except for this one.
Salman Rushdie, indeed any writer who abuses the prophet or indeed any prophet under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death.
Cat Stevens
I wonder if he ever took it back?
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Post by nefertiti on May 16, 2006 9:15:19 GMT -5
Pretty cool Suzie. Thanks for sharing that link  |
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Post by kareema113 on May 17, 2006 12:04:35 GMT -5
uh oh, except for this one. Salman Rushdie, indeed any writer who abuses the prophet or indeed any prophet under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death.
Cat StevensI wonder if he ever took it back? He can't. If you asked me, I'd have to say the same thing. It's technically true, at least according to some. You won't find codified "Islamic Law" books on a shelf like you would in a lawyer's office, however. There are many schools of thought. What one school believes is forbidden may not be considered so by another. All he did was relate what he might have learned in a class on Islamic jurisprudence at his mosque. I'm taking one too. It's kind of like asking Jerry Falwell what "God says" about homosexuality, as opposed to asking an attorney to quote a particular law under a particular section of legal code pertaining to the same subject. kareema |
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Post by emmie on May 17, 2006 12:27:16 GMT -5
uh oh, except for this one. Salman Rushdie, indeed any writer who abuses the prophet or indeed any prophet under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death.
Cat StevensI wonder if he ever took it back? He can't. If you asked me, I'd have to say the same thing. It's technically true, at least according to some. You won't find codified "Islamic Law" books on a shelf like you would in a lawyer's office, however. There are many schools of thought. What one school believes is forbidden may not be considered so by another. All he did was relate what he might have learned in a class on Islamic jurisprudence at his mosque. I'm taking one too. It's kind of like asking Jerry Falwell what "God says" about homosexuality, as opposed to asking an attorney to quote a particular law under a particular section of legal code pertaining to the same subject. kareema You have got to be kidding! You would kill someone? If that is what you're learning, it's rubbish. I would take another course if I were you. If Islam is a religion of peace, it could never advocate that. It's nothing like Fallwell. Fallwell may have assinine views but he NEVER advocated killing anyone. No comparison at all. And FYI, Yusuf did take it back in a very round about way that was squirmy. But at least he saw that he was wrong. Since the Rushdie has said he'd like to have dinner with Yusuf. Or it may have been Yusuf that said it. That was a few years back in an article I read. |
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Post by kareema113 on May 18, 2006 1:30:02 GMT -5
He can't. If you asked me, I'd have to say the same thing. It's technically true, at least according to some. You won't find codified "Islamic Law" books on a shelf like you would in a lawyer's office, however. There are many schools of thought. What one school believes is forbidden may not be considered so by another. All he did was relate what he might have learned in a class on Islamic jurisprudence at his mosque. I'm taking one too. It's kind of like asking Jerry Falwell what "God says" about homosexuality, as opposed to asking an attorney to quote a particular law under a particular section of legal code pertaining to the same subject. kareema You have got to be kidding! You would kill someone? If that is what you're learning, it's rubbish. I would take another course if I were you. If Islam is a religion of peace, it could never advocate that. It's nothing like Fallwell. Fallwell may have assinine views but he NEVER advocated killing anyone. No comparison at all. And FYI, Yusuf did take it back in a very round about way that was squirmy. But at least he saw that he was wrong. Since the Rushdie has said he'd like to have dinner with Yusuf. Or it may have been Yusuf that said it. That was a few years back in an article I read. Please note that I didn't say I would kill anyone over this or that Br. Yusuf would either. FYI,I learned the following at church. And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death. ---Bible, Leviticus 24:16[/b] This would be Jerry Falwells' opinion. I believe with all my heart that the Bible is the infallible word of God.[/b] So I beg to differ that "Jerry Falwell NEVER advocated killling anyone". If he believes that the Bible is the 'infallible word of God', then he better believe that Leviticus 24:16 speaks the truth. So, I guess I shouldn't have taken Bible study, since it appears Christianity must not be a 'religion of peace', either. kareema |
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Post by johannah on May 18, 2006 12:46:27 GMT -5
Yes, you said you agree with killing someone for Allah. That means you would do the same, or would you need a someone else to do it for you? Same thing.
FYI
So, you want to identify Christianity by a fringe minister of post-Appalachian tradition with some media saavy. Ironically, Leviticus is where every crazy goes to pull out of context from a book of Old testament laws (which we certainly do not use now -- see we have evolved kareema) in pursuit of "fag" bashing and dancing with rattlesnakes in the name of the Lord.
You seem to be following this lead. But if you want to study something in earnest from the New Testament about Christian tradition about such, the Epistle of James is a good one. It is about wisdom, love, and the resposibility to teach love in the name of Christ. No need to engage further, since there is no fountainhead of any other traditional faith, that demonstrated with such dignity and sacrifice as to peacefully accept public humiliation and execution. Not even Mahavir.
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Post by kareema113 on May 18, 2006 17:48:32 GMT -5
Ironically, Leviticus is where every crazy goes to pull out of context from a book of Old testament laws (which we certainly do not use now -- see we have evolved kareema Actually, since Muslims believe that there is no other god besides Allah, consider Muhammad to be next prophet after Jesus and view the Torah and Bible as basically earlier versions of the Qur'an; from my viewpoint, it is Islam that has 'evolved' from Christianity. And I was Presbyterian for many years... was a deacon, served communion and taught Sunday school. Since this conversation is off topic, let's borrow a phrase from Walter Martin [Kingdom of the Cults] "let's agree to disagree agreeably". kareema |
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Post by kareema113 on May 18, 2006 18:14:22 GMT -5
When I first started reading the Qur'an, it wasn't a sudden blinding light. But it was, in a way, an immediate revelation that the first name that I read in the Qur'an was God's name. I never knew that Muslims believed in God. One of the things that really surprised me, which made me feel very at home, was finding the names of all the prophets that I'd read in the Bible.
To me it was a new awakening and things which I'd been writing about, you know, 'come on now, it's freedom calling, come on over and find yourself'. You know, I was now saying 'hey' to myself, 'perhaps I'm being confronted with something that I didn't expect to find in my lifetime. You know, possibly the Truth.'[/b]
vh1 Behind the Music, 2000
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Post by johannah on May 19, 2006 5:21:45 GMT -5
Ironically, Leviticus is where every crazy goes to pull out of context from a book of Old testament laws (which we certainly do not use now -- see we have evolved kareema Actually, since Muslims believe that there is no other god besides Allah, consider Muhammad to be next prophet after Jesus and view the Torah and Bible as basically earlier versions of the Qur'an; from my viewpoint, it is Islam that has 'evolved' from Christianity. No dear, Jesus was not a prophet. He was the Son of God. He was divine. Mohamed was a prophet and human.If you believe what you are saying you are stating that Mohamed is the second coming of Jesus, the Christ. He is not. No comparison between Divine and human. Nor are the Torah and the Bible "earlier versions" of the Koran. Perhaps you should try real divinity school? i.e. an actual university -- where ever you are taking classes seems quite fundamentalist -- a la Falwell to me. They are advocating murder, they aren't actual laws, and they are saying that Jesus The Christ, the only Son of God, was a human prophet! Yes, you have given me your Christian credentials. Mine are far superior, but I needn't go into that. I agree 100%! Good luck and best wishes. |
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Post by Vivian on May 19, 2006 15:33:21 GMT -5
Pretty sad that Yusuf's faith must be insulted on a site dedicated to him. Actually, it's PATHETIC!
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Post by catlover on May 19, 2006 18:35:01 GMT -5
Jesus is the son of God, made man and came down from Heaven as a human and he indeed was a prophet! I don't understand what the problem is here as it is stated in the Bible very clearly.
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Post by johannah on May 20, 2006 9:59:51 GMT -5
Vivian don't be silly I did not insult Yusuf's religion. I was being educational to someone who advocates murder. Yusuf now does not advocate murder anymore. Kareema does. Kareema also thought that Jesus was human like mohammed and not God, or Divine. That is incorrect and I would have taken it as an insult, but I realized after what she posted ,she did not know this fact. Perhaps you are unaware of the Trinity as well?
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Chris
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Post by Chris on May 20, 2006 10:43:01 GMT -5
This has become way off topic!
Am I going to have to add... "No religion".... " No politics" to the TOU?
Please people this is a Cat Stevens site, keep it friendly.
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