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Post by sue on Oct 19, 2002 12:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks, Jill. Wonderful pictures.
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Post by Chris on Oct 19, 2002 13:20:49 GMT -5
Thanks Jill for the links.
It warms my heart to see Yusuf, the Dalai Lama and so many other religious leaders all together promoting a common goal. Peace.
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Post by 70sCat on Oct 19, 2002 13:57:29 GMT -5
Sheikh??!! Yusuf Islam?? Hehehe....when did he become a Sheikh? I mean...it would be kewl if he had advanced that far in his studies but....Does anyone know anything about this?  peace and love, Sakinah
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Post by 70sCat on Oct 19, 2002 13:58:22 GMT -5
Oh, and thanks for the links Jill!! Very nice |
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Post by Chris on Oct 19, 2002 14:10:48 GMT -5
I wondered about that as well? Could it be an honorary title they gave him.
I don't know much about the hierarchy of the religion? How does one become a Sheik? Is it like a Priest? Having to go to Seminary school and only become a priest after years of schooling.
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Post by Lucy13 on Oct 19, 2002 15:12:17 GMT -5
Sheikh??!! Yusuf Islam?? Hehehe....when did he become a Sheikh? peace and love, Sakinah Must have just been something lost in the translator program. Notice how often the article says "its" instead of "his". If I had time, I'd try to translate it by hand... but nah... I don't. Anyway, thanks Jill, for the link! I love this photo: www.kalachakra-graz.at/new/bilder/press_event/18.10/kc.graz_richter_05_web.jpgMy, what big hands you have! Very attractive. What is it about a man's hands that's so important to women? I wonder... I remember my mother saying the first thing that attracted her to my dad was his nice-looking hands.  |
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Post by Lucy13 on Oct 19, 2002 15:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by tree on Oct 19, 2002 16:42:01 GMT -5
3 entries found for sheik.
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sheik also sheikh Pronunciation Key (shk, shk)
n.
1. Islam.
a. A religious official.
b. A leader of an Arab family or village.
c. Used as a form of address for such an official or leader.
2. sheik Slang. A romantically alluring man.
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[Arabic ay, old man, chief, from a, to grow old. See y in Semitic Roots.]
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Post by Vivian on Oct 19, 2002 16:59:06 GMT -5
THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU, Jill! I already knew Yusuf had a beautiful heart! Now, just maybe everyone else will finally admit that and see for themselves! Now, what do I have to do to get that video to work! I have real player, but I can't get the video to work!!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Vivian on Oct 19, 2002 18:56:27 GMT -5
I know Yusuf doesn't care about these things, but if anyone deserves the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, that man does!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by 70sCat on Oct 20, 2002 3:00:28 GMT -5
Hmmm....I thought that to become a Sheikh one had to have years of schooling in Islamic law, but I could be wrong...I'll have to check on it to find out for sure. It's not a big deal really...hehehe...I just thought it was kinda funny that they were calling Yusuf "Sheikh"  peace and love, Sakinah |
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Post by Vivian on Oct 20, 2002 14:56:22 GMT -5
DARN!! Why can't I get the video to play!! I MUST hear Yusuf's speech!!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Aisha on Oct 20, 2002 14:58:02 GMT -5
You know, once when I was looking at an advert for an Islamic Education conference in California, they had Yusuf's name listed and some letters behind his name. I think he said in an interview that he studied alot. So if this is so then he could be a sheik... Sheik Yusuf....does has a ring to it, doesn't it. Thanks LadyD for more of you valuable contributions. Love, A'isha |
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Post by Vivian on Oct 20, 2002 15:03:43 GMT -5
Sheik Yusuf DOES have a nice sound to it!
Now, if only I can get the video to play!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Chris on Oct 21, 2002 13:41:08 GMT -5
This is from the Austrian news website today. religion.orf.at/projekt02/news/0210/kalachakra_fr.htmTranslated using the google translator. News 21. 10. 2002 Yusuf Islam: Muslim and sometimes still singer the British ex-Pop-star Cat of stevens - he calls himself since his crossing to the Islam Yusuf Islam - were as Ambassadors Islam in Vienna. A background report of Martin Richter/APA. In the Islamic center in Vienna Floridsdorf slip the oriental carpets continuously from the outside staircase before the mosque. Regularly the wind upsets also the knallig violet and rosafarbenen f lowers, which are set up for the receipt of the faith brother and teacher Yusuf Islam. The fixed files strive persistent however in vain to set up it again. The guest arrives finally on the place before the mosque, surrounded by the hosts of the Islamic center. It is not easy at all to recognize Cat of stevens in the people ball. It had the beard at times of his singer career, it however around some became longer already. From a Pop star stevens outwardly nothing at all more has. "it is sufficient, in a modest way to dress", says the man in the dark-blue coat and trousers. In former times it carried, now still Arab angehauchte samples for no more. "do not come as a Pop star, but as humans of Muslim faith" at the end of the outside staircase stands a board, which looks like a wing altar. On the left of the at that time: Cat of stevens beside one its Plattencover. On the right of the today: Yusuf Islam with white turban. In the center between them the world ball including moon. Cat of stevens decided before nearly 25 years for the right side: "I do not come any longer than Pop singers, but as humans of Muslim faith", he explains to the freezing crowd at the full place, interspersed with the multicolored Tschadors of the women. Before 30 years one the most important Pop star of the world end of the 70's was Cat of stevens beside Elton John the most important Songwriter Great Britain. As a Pop star also he forgot and wanted however its principles to out-curving H ippie life in luxury something else to reach. "I looked for a religion." From the Islam knew the son of a Greek Zyprioten, which the Turks and their religion not evenly friendly opposite, born as steven the trichloroethylene Giorgoiou, hardly something, until its brother borrowed the Koran to it. "I had a western attitude to the Islam. The Islam was a taboo, I was distrustful. Actually I did not have notion, which the Muslims believed." In the Koran it has all property from other religions, from the Astrologie and Numerologie in a book verwoben found. Again and again to help those which do not possess anything, I felt, explain social commitment "an obligation already in former times" the 54-jaehrige a Britisher, "in the Islam am however many more concrete giving away alms. It is must, that in the Koran is exactly fixed." Yusuf Islam used itself then with dry disasters in Africa: "I felt however that the assistance must go beyond immediate measures." Today it leads the relief organization "Small Kindness", which helps above all waisenkindern on the Balkans. After it had gone over to the Islam and its names in Yusuf Islam had changed, the step was lying to the teacher and representative of its religion close: "all required that I tell them my history. That was simple." Father of five children today lives Yusuf Islam with its wife and five children in the north of London, where he created several Koranschulen. Within the range education strives the ex-Pop-singer around the training of young girls. To a question stated from two girls to request by the organizers, he answers that the role of the woman is crucial in the Islam, since they affect "generations" could. The men would have to give the women however "more area". The former star hardly omits itself songs as gift at Vienna over politics with his vienna attendance. There it rather its saying that it "only" than "Muslim humans" and not when singer came becomes unfaithfully and is correct its old song "The wind" on and one of its newer religious songs, which it still publishes today. During the wind the carpets and f lowers fixed with tape clears and the multicolored tags, which are strained around the met Muslim municipality like fire tongues moved, becomes Yusuf Islam again the singing Cat of stevens: "God is the light of the sky and the earth". |
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Post by Chris on Oct 21, 2002 15:15:43 GMT -5
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Post by Lucy13 on Oct 21, 2002 18:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by Lucy13 on Oct 21, 2002 18:56:54 GMT -5
Ok from this really strange and uncomprehensible google translation,  can any one figure out if Yusuf sang 'The Wind' and ' God is the Light'?  I'll see what I can do... (with the whole article) Give me some time. |
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Post by bluegirl on Oct 21, 2002 22:11:25 GMT -5
*born as steven the trichloroethylene Giorgoiou*
that is one heck of a middle name!
Christine, OMG, the translation is so funny---
Well, even though the wind was knocking the 'violet and rosafarbenen flowers (!)' I DO think he gave a 'gift' and sang a bit of The WInd and God is the Light. But that is just my interpretation of Googles translation--will have to wait for Lucy of 13 's translation or Cat of Stevens to post something at one of his sites...
Sounds like it was a great experience for him....
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Post by Chris on Oct 22, 2002 11:22:41 GMT -5
Here is the translation for the last paragraph of the Austrian article. This was kindly translated by an Austrian fan 'Theresa' for me. Yusuf definately sang two songs for the crowd which included a new song.
SONGS AS A GIFT TO VIENNA
"He doesn't want to talk about politics
he'll rather be known as a "muslim person" than as a
singer - and then he starts to sing his old song "THE WIND"
and one of his new religious songs, which will be release soon,
while the wind in Vienna takes away the (taped) carpets and f lowers,
and as the flags which surround the muslim community are waving like "tongues
of fire" - Yusuf Islam changes into the singer CAT STEVENS again (for a little while)
GOD IS THE LIGHT IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH!"
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Post by sue on Oct 22, 2002 11:56:33 GMT -5
Thanks to Theresa for that translation. What are the odds Yusuf will sing and talk of peace in the US??
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Post by robinssong on Oct 29, 2002 7:09:00 GMT -5
Hi, I saw Yusuf on TV ! 3sat, the common TV channel of Austria, Switzerland and Germany showed a summary of the Kalachakra yesterday. Only a few minutes of this program had reference to Yusuf but these minutes were very touching and impressive: "Morning has Broken" is played while Yusuf is taking a walk through the city of Graz. Then a few short clips of a concert and a studio performance with Cat singing "Peace Train" and "Father and Son" are presented. After this flashback on his career as a musician, the program returns to the present and to an extract of an interview Yusuf has given during his visit to Graz.He describes the songs "Peace Train", "On the Road to Find Out", "Wild World" and "Morning has Broken" as expressions of his wish to find answers to life. Yusuf speaks about his interest in religion and his first reading of the Qur'an: "It was the beginning of my discovery of what Islam had to say about life." An impression of Yusuf, clothed in white, praying in a beautiful, spacious mosque is faded in. The interview is followed by a report on the meeting of the representatives of the five world religions. Each representative is introduced by music characterizing his religion. To represent Islam the first bars of one of Yusuf's songs were played, and it was so sweet to see Yusuf's embarrassed face (  ) while he was listening to his own voice! Love, Sanna |
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Post by Vivian on Oct 29, 2002 7:42:36 GMT -5
Sanna,
This sounds WONDERFUL!! Did you happen to tape it? If so, can you send a copy to Christine? She can put it online for all of us to see! I would just LOVE to see that. It sounds SO PRECIOUS!!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Chris on Oct 29, 2002 10:55:47 GMT -5
Hi, I saw Yusuf on TV ! Oh Sanna, I am so happy to hear you were able to watch Yusuf on TV. It sounded like a wonderful treat for you.! To tell you the truth, I felt a little bit sad, that we in America/Canada have been the only countries to catch glimpses of Yusuf on the television. But now with your (Sanna) seeing Yusuf on German TV and Biography UK finally showing a special on Yusuf in England in November............ How wonderful to see it is being spread around!!! ;D |
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Post by 70sCat on Oct 29, 2002 17:31:08 GMT -5
Hi, I saw Yusuf on TV ! 3sat, the common TV channel of Austria, Switzerland and Germany showed a summary of the Kalachakra yesterday. Only a few minutes of this program had reference to Yusuf but these minutes were very touching and impressive: "Morning has Broken" is played while Yusuf is taking a walk through the city of Graz. Then a few short clips of a concert and a studio performance with Cat singing "Peace Train" and "Father and Son" are presented. After this flashback on his career as a musician, the program returns to the present and to an extract of an interview Yusuf has given during his visit to Graz.He describes the songs "Peace Train", "On the Road to Find Out", "Wild World" and "Morning has Broken" as expressions of his wish to find answers to life. Yusuf speaks about his interest in religion and his first reading of the Qur'an: "It was the beginning of my discovery of what Islam had to say about life." An impression of Yusuf, clothed in white, praying in a beautiful, spacious mosque is faded in. The interview is followed by a report on the meeting of the representatives of the five world religions. Each representative is introduced by music characterizing his religion. To represent Islam the first bars of one of Yusuf's songs were played, and it was so sweet to see Yusuf's embarassed face ( ) while he was listening to his own voice! Love, Sanna Geez...that would have been kewl to see... |
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Post by kareema113 on Oct 31, 2002 7:59:56 GMT -5
Greetings,
Br Yusuf a 'Sheikh'? I think he will get a giggle out of that one!
According to my sources, a 'sheikh' can be a man to whom the villagers customarily go to mediate problems... someone who is respected for his honesty and good character. This is the original meaning of 'Sheikh'. He does not need to have formal training.
In the last few decades, the title has come to mean a man that studied at a renowned Islamic university... like Al-Azhar in Egypt... which has a 4-, 8- and 12-year program if I remember correctly... however a man may simply have studied under a man who has been designated a 'Sheikh'.
There are female scholars as well called "Sheikha"... how do I know this?
Whenever I argue with my husband, he usually ends up saying... "Oh, so you became Sheikha now!"
I believe that Br Yusuf is being given a courtesy title in the article.
He is in my opinion more qualified to be called "Sheikh" than some of the local "Sheikhs" near me...
Remembe that Br Yusuf does already have the title of 'Hajji', since he has been on Haj/Pilgrimage to Makkah!
May we all find peace,
kareema
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Post by kareema113 on Oct 31, 2002 8:05:47 GMT -5
Greetings again,
Can someone give me the link to the original article?
I have a BA in German.... however it was a while ago!
Thanks,
kareema
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Post by 70sCat on Oct 31, 2002 8:42:55 GMT -5
Salaams Kareema,
Thank you!
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Post by Aisha on Oct 31, 2002 10:43:50 GMT -5
Kareema, you cracked me up. Your husband's remark sounds like something Hamdi says when I am right and he is wrong...LOL He and I don't discuss religion because of this. One thing about Muslim reverts is that they have to learn the religion whereas those born into it often don't learn that much. I can always hold it over hubby's head his grades in religion in highschool I won't go there okay. My father-in-law is a sheik, and so is the male members of his family... Sometimes it is a title for someone in the community that is well respected and knowledgeable and also it is something passed on through generations. My husband's family are sheiks for generations but not in the sense of the Islamic sheik who is someone who knows alot about the religion. My sheik father-in-law is 120 years old and is a very kind and gentle man. He really has lived up to the name. He is also very funny, a great sense-of-humor. I doubt he will live much longer since his wife died last month but one of my fondest memories of him will be his holding two year old Jamileh on his lap while they played with Tickle Me Elmo. So you see, sheiks don't have to be prideful either. And the Hajjee, as we call him, is far from prideful. Love, A'isha |
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Post by kareema113 on Oct 31, 2002 19:55:11 GMT -5
Greetings, Kareema, you cracked me up. Your husband's remark sounds like something Hamdi says when I am right and he is wrong...LOL A'isha, you are exactly right! My husband does mean that I am an upstart know-it-all revert. I should just be complacently ignorant and obedient... the qualities many men find most desirable in a wife! [Kareema steps off soapbox.] I did a little more reseach about the Sheikh title... my husband agrees that the author of the article is buttering Br Yusuf up with the title of 'Sheikh', although he does fit the current stereotype in the Arab world, ie, long beard, wears the long white headcover at times, intellectual manner, has a large following (the Amis), etc. As a journalist, my husband has watched as more and more men have been given the title without deserving it.... Osama bin Laden is a case in point. He is an engineer by trade and is not qualified in any way to issue edicts/fatawa, yet many call him 'Sheikh'! However, I digress... I have learned that Br Yusuf does have a distinguished title in the Arab world... he is called a "Da'iya" (DA-ee-ya) or "Caller to Islam"! Whenever he is mentioned in the Arab media, Br Yusuf is referred to by this title! He is considered to be this because of his 'celebrity' status in the Western world as a former popstar, which now gives Allah swt a wonderful drawing-card to Islam via his Amis and the fact that he is a person who gets media coverage because the West follows the lifestyles of the rich and famous. I believe that Br Yusuf would much rather be referred to as a 'Da'iya' than the down-graded term of 'Sheikh'. My husband feels that in 10 years or so, he will have spent the required amount of time studying Islam and Arabic to be considered plausible in the Arab world. Br Yusuf's main obstacle as far as Arabs go is that he does not actually speak Arabic, the language of the Qur'an... I do not think that Br Yusuf will ever become a 'Sheikh' since he has been so severely burned by the edicts of others, ie Ayatollah Khomeini and the Salman Rushdie affair... My husband is of the opinion that it is a good thing that Khomeini spoke out against Rushdie and that Br Yusuf reiterated that blasphemy is punishable by death according to the Qur'an, since that is exactly right. He says that no Arab scholars had the guts to issue the same opinion, since they are under the thumbs of the regimes that support them and such a statement was not politically correct... an interesting turn of events and a positive spin on the whole affair at last! Br Yusuf as a reluctant speaker of Truth!! Let us remember (before I'm attacked) that fatawa/edicts are merely opinions issued formally by scholars and have NO legal weight in Islam... they are not laws, just OPINIONS, as when the Pope issues a canon, right? May we all find peace, kareema |
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can any one figure out if Yusuf sang 'The Wind' and ' God is the Light'? 
) while he was listening to his own voice!