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Post by Lucy Honeychurch on Sept 2, 2003 15:12:12 GMT -5
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Post by Lucy13 on Sept 2, 2003 16:59:28 GMT -5
Could BE, Lucy.
Could be............
- other Lucy.
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Post by Vivian on Sept 2, 2003 20:23:10 GMT -5
It could be, but something is telling me that those young ladies are not his daughters, nor his wife! In the first picture, we can't really see his wife's face, and I am not sure Yusuf would want his family recognized on the internet, for their own protection!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Jancat on Sept 2, 2003 20:33:33 GMT -5
Interesting, Lucy H... A couple of humorous observations: - "Mrs. Fawzia Ishmael"?? Did the whale swallow her, too??  (See earlier thread about someone saying that Yusuf's name was/is Ishmael.) - I chuckled when I saw the group of photos with the heading, "Yoosuf Islam addressing in male"... I've always suspected that guys have their own dialect - guess this confirms it! |
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Post by Turan on Sept 2, 2003 22:09:32 GMT -5
LOL. Well, you will notice it is the Pres office who released the photos. It might have been no one thought to ask and he forgot to make sure.
Isn't Ishmael Fawzia's maiden name? She may well have never changed it or only uses it sometimes or it is not usual in the Maldives for a woman to take her husband's last name. Remember we went over this when talking about Hasana, it is not at all apsolute among Muslims for the woman to change her last name. Last names are not always family names every where, by the by.
Nice pictures all in all.
Turan
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Post by faithfullight on Sept 3, 2003 6:58:39 GMT -5
Turan,
I'm pretty sure that her last name was Ali. It was written in one of the articles, but I can't remember which one.
I think that it is a picture of Fawzia and their 3 daughters. All three girls look so much alike and they are very beautiful. And I am happy to see Yusuf go on vacation with his family.
Peace,
Faithfullight
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 3, 2003 9:41:27 GMT -5
If you say so, Kareema  |
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Post by hummingbird on Sept 3, 2003 9:56:26 GMT -5
This thread is starting to remind me of that Chevy Chase movie, Vacation.
Christie Brinkley: Is that your family?
Chevy Chase: Them? Oh no, they're just supposed to look like my family.
I, for one, hope it was his family because the Maldives seem like one heck of a place for a vacation. Beautiful and unspoiled.
Kareema, I'm no expert on Islamic customs, but my understanding is a woman need only cover to the ankle.
Anyway....it's likely Mrs. Islam's face is somewhat known. Isn't she the Principle of one of his schools (?) Hard to represent a school properly without meeting with schoolboard reps, parents and the like...and I assume some of them will be men. As for Hasanna, if she's running his business, she can't exactly be hiding away either. Maybe Yusuf is a bit more modern about these things these days...who knows (?)
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 3, 2003 10:25:06 GMT -5
I agree with you, Hummingbird. Good point.
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Post by sasafras on Sept 3, 2003 12:51:16 GMT -5
kareema, I am sorry but you cannot imagine how absurd the "rules" for Islamic women seem to me.
I have been single for 25+ yrs., bought my own homes, cars, appliances, and repairs. I have worked and supported myself for years & years. I simply cannot fathom living my life according to the whims of men.
Our Christian Bible also has "rules" for women, i.e., they are to remain silent in church, keep their hair covered, be obedient to their husbands, etc. But, those words were written thousands of years ago, when the mores were totally different from today's world.
I can't believe that my Heavenly Father expects women to practically be slaves. If a man cannot look upon a woman who is not covered from head to toe, without having evil thoughts, that is HIS problem, not the poor woman.
When Goldie Mier was head of her country, her advisors wanted to institute a curfew on the women because too many were being raped outside their homes after dark.
Goldie's answer was, "Why punish the women with a curfew, it is the men who are doing the raping. The curfew should be placed upon them". I guess she is my kind of woman.
D.
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Post by Whisper on Sept 3, 2003 13:28:14 GMT -5
kareema, I am sorry but you cannot imagine how absurd the "rules" for Islamic women seem to me. I have been single for 25+ yrs., bought my own homes, cars, appliances, and repairs. I have worked and supported myself for years & years. I simply cannot fathom living my life according to the whims of men. Our Christian Bible also has "rules" for women, i.e., they are to remain silent in church, keep their hair covered, be obedient to their husbands, etc. But, those words were written thousands of years ago, when the mores were totally different from today's world. I can't believe that my Heavenly Father expects women to practically be slaves. If a man cannot look upon a woman who is not covered from head to toe, without having evil thoughts, that is HIS problem, not the poor woman. When Goldie Mier was head of her country, her advisors wanted to institute a curfew on the women because too many were being raped outside their homes after dark. Goldie's answer was, "Why punish the women with a curfew, it is the men who are doing the raping. The curfew should be placed upon them". I guess she is my kind of woman. D. I can imagine how the rules might seem absurd to many:) The entire faith seems absurd to many:) But many different faiths/ideas/customs/walks of life can seem absurd to some. The Ten Commandments ( a list of rules) probably seemed absurd to many who wished to live by different standards/morals when they were first declared. Religion itself period seems absurd to many..any religion. I try to avoid discussing religion here because I think this place wasn't designed to discuss religion. While Kareema's pont of view is one point of view taken on by Muslims, it is not the only point of view. For instance, the Hanafi school allows for the womans feet to show, while other schools do not. BUT travel anywhere in the middle east & one will see scores and scores and scores of hijabbed women wearing sandals and flip flops. Muslim women are not ordered to hide from having their photo taken & published, this would also be left up to one's personal point of view. Merve Kavakci's hijab battle dominated the political debate in Turkey about the functioning of democratic norms and secularism until it was buried by the big earthquake news. Her face dominated the front pages of news pages. She is a well educated woman with degrees in many areas & she was a member of Turkish parliament. She was jeered out of parliament by the men in parliament for fighting for her right to wear the headscarf. She lost her Turkish citizenship because she did these things.The Turkish government had a ban on women being able to attend university if they donned a scarf. She very publically fought against this & her face was splashed everywhere. Her father did not ask her to step aside so that her face would not be splashed across the newspapers. There are many many other Muslim women who have gained certain amounts of publicity ( and having their photos taken) from public speaking. You can walk into any Muslim bookstore and find videotapes and books with the picture of the speaker/author on the item. Aisha ( ra) one of the Prophets (saw) wives, led an army into battle after his death. I assume if there had been cameras then photos may have been taken of her leading the charge. Within the muslim community are female doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, housewives, poets, artists, and so on. Muslim women can also buy cars, own homes and support themselves and others  As a matter of fact Muslim women were first given the right to work, vote , and own property over fourteen hundered years ago long before the women's sufferage movement was successful. Just as you can meet all sorts of people within any other faith, the same goes for the Muslim community. I hope I haven't been disrespectful to this site posting this here because I do know that religious discussion isn't what this site was designed for. Oh as for the comment "Goldie's answer was, "Why punish the women with a curfew, it is the men who are doing the raping. The curfew should be placed upon them." I heartily agree  |
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Post by sasafras on Sept 3, 2003 14:37:14 GMT -5
Wisper, I agree that this web site is not the place to discuss various religions.
I guess my question is: If having their photograph taken is an option for Muslem women, then how can someone be so sure that the pic in question is not Yusuf's daughters & wife? Maybe they do not believe it is wrong?
I understand Yusuf not wanting his family's pictures plastered on the internet (and I don't blame him), but how do we know that the photographer (who probably is a member of the President's staff), knew that? Plus, does the webmaster know how Yusuf feels about that?
I really does not matter to me whether it is his daughters & wife, or not, I just question whether anyone on this forum can know precisely who that is a picture of, or who it is not of?
D.
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 3, 2003 15:26:34 GMT -5
I examined that photograph and the young ladies do look very much like Cat did in his young days.
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Post by sasafras on Sept 3, 2003 17:56:58 GMT -5
Kareema: "I have been personally assured by Br Yusuf that we will not be seeing a photo of his family members on the internet. I am taking him at his word."
Kareema, then I wonder who that woman is, who is sitting with Yusuf and the President?
D.
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Post by hummingbird on Sept 3, 2003 18:32:10 GMT -5
Kareema, then I wonder who that woman is, who is sitting with Yusuf and the President? D. LOL! I suppose he meant that he wouldn't himself post a photo. Will the real Ms. Islam/Ismail please stand up...remember that old TV show? (hmmm...what was the name of that show anyway  ) |
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Post by HardheadedSofthrtd on Sept 3, 2003 18:41:55 GMT -5
Will the real Ms. Islam/Ismail please stand up...remember that old TV show? (hmmm...what was the name of that show anyway ) Wasn't that "To Tell the Truth?" -Joanne |
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Post by hummingbird on Sept 3, 2003 19:56:07 GMT -5
Yes, that's it Joanne! I kept thinking What's My Line but that was another show....
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Post by Lucy13 on Sept 3, 2003 20:03:34 GMT -5
Whose line is it, anyway?
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Post by boneheadedwoman on Sept 3, 2003 20:06:07 GMT -5
Let's take a vote on it, and determine the Truth that way!
Or not.
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Post by Lucy13 on Sept 3, 2003 20:07:33 GMT -5
I examined that photograph and the young ladies do look very much like Cat did in his young days. I agree, Nef. The middle "daughter" (let's call her that) especially looks like her dad (mm... let's call him that). She has those beautiful cheekbones. (Maybe she's the middle daughter who supposedly loves photography. See the digital camera? Oh, I know that doesn't mean much... ) ANYway... they're lovely young women. I think at least a couple of those women are family members. I do. I've put two and two together (from other clues over the years) and have come to that conclusion. Mm-hm. But that's only my opinion. |
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Post by Lucy13 on Sept 3, 2003 20:10:05 GMT -5
P.S. Jen, you cracked me up with your Chevy Chase comparison. Too funny.
"My wife? ... (puffing and blowing his cheeks) nah... "
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Sept 3, 2003 21:53:27 GMT -5
it was only a matter of time before these pictures made it to a cat site somewhere, and God knows if they have to be on a cat site, this is the site that is kindest and most respectful of Yusuf, so thank God for that.
i'm sure he's aware of the tenacity of cat fans (though he told me he finds it simply amazing that there still ARE cat fans!) so he had to be somewhat aware that these pictures would surface somewhere. (again, thank GOD they are HERE).
if we let the matter drop, the thread will soon drop to another page and they will become somewhat anonymous again. i would think, and of course i don't know, that he would prefer his family to remain anonymous, so to speak, but i would also think that as his children are now grown and out and about in the world, he realizes that they are not going to always remain so.
that being said, i am again glad that everyone on this site has a sense of HIS sense of privacy and is respectful of that.
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Post by hummingbird on Sept 4, 2003 6:49:34 GMT -5
With all due respect Colleen and Kareema, aren't you being a tad melodramatic about all this. Do you sincerely believe he didn't know the event was being photographed? The photographer had to be standing only a few feet from him.
Do we need to be reminded that Yusuf likes his privacy (even in a flattering sort of way)? I don't think so. We're grownups, not teenagers and not paparazzi.
BTW, it seems to me most of the responses on this thread were generated due to Kareema's insistance that it's not a picture of his family. If not for that, most of us would 've quietly taken a peak and moved on....
Okay (not so) quietly moving on....
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Post by Lucy13 on Sept 4, 2003 7:38:11 GMT -5
Hmmm.... after some thought, I really don't think that this is a picture of them....  |
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Post by sasafras on Sept 4, 2003 8:17:25 GMT -5
I appreciate any famous person trying to keep his/her family out of the spotlight. I remember when Frank Sinatra's son was kidnapped!!
At least we can be thankful that Yusuf did not drap a towel over one of his baby's heads & hang him/her over a hotel balcony.
D.
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 4, 2003 8:42:28 GMT -5
I have examined those pictures carefully and those young ladies sure look like Cat Stevens. One of them even slumps just like he does. Soooooo.........
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 4, 2003 8:47:30 GMT -5
Also, its been my observation that daughters 80% of the time favor their fathers. It is a strong possibility that such a photo could end up on the net. Hey, I've spotted some naked ones of me on the internet and I have no idea how they got there |
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Post by nefertiti on Sept 4, 2003 9:04:07 GMT -5
I justed noticed I repeated myself. I better stop eating those frankfruters ~burp~ ;D
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Sept 4, 2003 11:01:12 GMT -5
I will repeat this: there are NO PICTURES here on Majicat of the family of Yusuf. People are free to talk about whatever is posted elsewhere, Majicat has always shown full respect for Yusuf's privacy. which is why he likes it here so much! (gotta plug that MOL link once again! LOL) |
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Sept 4, 2003 11:07:11 GMT -5
i also want to clarify that when i said the pictures were 'here' i meant being discussed here. i know for a fact that christine would NOT post them on her site.
the fact remains that on the wild world web everything is free flowing... he may well have already been aware of the discussion here.
in any event, i do agree there is no need to get carried away with it. i'm sure he understands the speculation... he may not be laughing over it, but i doubt he's stamping his feet with smoke blowing out of his ears either. he's got other more important things to worry about in regards to his children, i would think...like whether they can make a bank deposit without going to jail .... and for goodness sake, does mohammed have a job yet? LOLOL (with any luck he's still looking .. and has time for a little duet at the RAH show! ;-) )
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(See earlier thread about someone saying that Yusuf's name was/is Ishmael.)
As a matter of fact Muslim women were first given the right to work, vote , and own property over fourteen hundered years ago long before the women's sufferage movement was successful. 
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