Post by yorgaki on Aug 25, 2020 7:28:36 GMT -5
So I have wondered about this recently ever since hearing Sheikh Bahauddin describe Rumi as a "mercenary",
The first time I came across him was on a bus in London talking to a Persian medical student I had just met at the bus stop, in fact I had heard of him before, but when I mentioned him, his eyes lit up, he showed me a book of poetry by Rumi that he was reading,
I later found a small compendium of poems translated by an English or possibly Anglo-American woman,
Finally my sister-in-law from Brazil gave me a large volume of verse by him entitled "The Big Red Book",
I had read that he was head of the Mevlevi order, born in Persia and settled in Turkey, also that he invented the art of the whirling dervishes,
"Rum" is the Turkic word for "Greeks" derived from the Koranic surah on the Romans, it is also a traditional alcoholic drink from the Caribbean,
Wondering whether the poetry and verse are authentic from the 13th Century or more recent translations has preoccupied me a little, as I said, why call him a "mercenary";?;
I have heard Rumi's original writings referred to as "the Persian Koran", as it is said to be the closest poetry to match the beauty of that holy book,
There is a challenge in the Koran asking if anyone can write poetry as beautiful as that which is contained in the surahs, and this is surely meant as proof that the Koran comes from heaven, or Allah,
The English verses of Rumi that I have read are certainly powerful, and very beautiful, but what is the true history;?;
Is Rumi just another philosopher;?;
The word "sufi" can be traced to the philosophical school of "sophistry" of which Socrates is perhaps the most well known adherent,
Indeed "sophy" appears in the word "philosophy" itself, and is usually translated as meaning "wisdom", "philosophy" meaning "love of wisdom",
There are of course other etymologies,
I don't think the wisdom of Rumi is in question, only the history and motive,
Yusuf has said that he is not tied to any sufi order, though he has explored some of them, not least the Naqshbandi Haqqani order of Sheikh Nazim, to which Bahauddin belongs,
The Mevlevi headquarters were based in Cyprus historically in a building which is now a museum, they have since moved to Syria,
I have never tried spinning like a whirling dervish, I think it would be very difficult for a novice like me, but it interests me nevertheless,
Anyway, anyone's insight into the true history of the man known as Jalal al-din Rumi would be welcome,
Thank you.
The first time I came across him was on a bus in London talking to a Persian medical student I had just met at the bus stop, in fact I had heard of him before, but when I mentioned him, his eyes lit up, he showed me a book of poetry by Rumi that he was reading,
I later found a small compendium of poems translated by an English or possibly Anglo-American woman,
Finally my sister-in-law from Brazil gave me a large volume of verse by him entitled "The Big Red Book",
I had read that he was head of the Mevlevi order, born in Persia and settled in Turkey, also that he invented the art of the whirling dervishes,
"Rum" is the Turkic word for "Greeks" derived from the Koranic surah on the Romans, it is also a traditional alcoholic drink from the Caribbean,
Wondering whether the poetry and verse are authentic from the 13th Century or more recent translations has preoccupied me a little, as I said, why call him a "mercenary";?;
I have heard Rumi's original writings referred to as "the Persian Koran", as it is said to be the closest poetry to match the beauty of that holy book,
There is a challenge in the Koran asking if anyone can write poetry as beautiful as that which is contained in the surahs, and this is surely meant as proof that the Koran comes from heaven, or Allah,
The English verses of Rumi that I have read are certainly powerful, and very beautiful, but what is the true history;?;
Is Rumi just another philosopher;?;
The word "sufi" can be traced to the philosophical school of "sophistry" of which Socrates is perhaps the most well known adherent,
Indeed "sophy" appears in the word "philosophy" itself, and is usually translated as meaning "wisdom", "philosophy" meaning "love of wisdom",
There are of course other etymologies,
I don't think the wisdom of Rumi is in question, only the history and motive,
Yusuf has said that he is not tied to any sufi order, though he has explored some of them, not least the Naqshbandi Haqqani order of Sheikh Nazim, to which Bahauddin belongs,
The Mevlevi headquarters were based in Cyprus historically in a building which is now a museum, they have since moved to Syria,
I have never tried spinning like a whirling dervish, I think it would be very difficult for a novice like me, but it interests me nevertheless,
Anyway, anyone's insight into the true history of the man known as Jalal al-din Rumi would be welcome,
Thank you.