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Post by HardheadedSofthrtd on May 1, 2003 13:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by that’sDOCTOR2u on May 1, 2003 14:13:44 GMT -5
For me, he said just enough. I'm glad he didn't dignify the whole thing with a lengthy rebuttal.
...kim
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Post by Aisha on May 1, 2003 15:35:12 GMT -5
I agree with Kim, why make a long deal about what Tapper said. That is only fueling Tapper to write more stuff and keep things going. Yusuf said what he felt clearly enough and I can't say that I blame him at all. I would have been a lot nastier in my response than Yusuf was, but I am not Yusuf. Yusuf has much more tact than I do. I think he said enough.
Love,
A'isha
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Post by boneheadedwoman on May 1, 2003 16:50:11 GMT -5
OK I read the article, I read all the dialogue about it here (and contributed some comments) and then I read Yusuf's response. All I can say is BRILLIANT!  Regarding the validity of the article, at this point, even if it's all true, I choose to believe that he does what he does with a full heart. Some of the skeptics out there (myself included, sometimes) may question his decisions or motives, and I'm pleased that he's at the point now where he can just shrug it off. |
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Post by hummingbird on May 1, 2003 18:27:01 GMT -5
;D YESSSSSS!!!! ;D
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Post by hummingbird on May 1, 2003 18:48:42 GMT -5
OK I read the article, I read all the dialogue about it here (and contributed some comments) and then I read Yusuf's response. All I can say is BRILLIANT! Regarding the validity of the article, at this point, even if it's all true, I choose to believe that he does what he does with a full heart. Some of the skeptics out there (myself included, sometimes) may question his decisions or motives, and I'm pleased that he's at the point now where he can just shrug it off. Good post BHW! Even if some or all of the facts of the article are true, it's past history. He's moved on (even moved away!). What can really be said about it...it's just the way he was/the way it was. A point in time. Now is so much more important!! To feel otherwise, is to be unforgiving (or maybe stubborn). Hmmmm...that's a strong statement...it's really just meant as food for thought (and not directed at anyone in particular!!) -jen. |
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Post by that’sDOCTOR2u on May 1, 2003 18:49:45 GMT -5
I would have been a lot nastier in my response than Yusuf was, but I am not Yusuf. Yusuf has much more tact than I do. I think he said enough. Love, A'isha I think he responded with a bit of retrained feistiness. I think he was clearly annoyed with the whole thing, but why go over it point by point. As has been said, that just keeps it out there longer. ...kim |
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Post by Lucy13 on May 1, 2003 19:47:15 GMT -5
His retort made me laugh.
But one thing I can't agree with... everyone keeps criticizing the artwork in GQ. I think it was excellent. Snide or not.
I think you've made some on-the-mark points Jen (as always). Most of it IS history and I think Yusuf has quietly moved on. And as he described it, he's quietly continuing with his work. (Brings to mind Silent Sunlight....)
I'm sure he'd be happy to just forget the whole thing... which is partly a function of being male -- to pretend nothing ever happened when they faux pas. They just shove it under the rug, act nice and move on... kinda FRUSTRATING, but oh well....
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Post by hummingbird on May 1, 2003 20:14:43 GMT -5
I just noticed the caption of Yusuf's response, "Gentlemen Miss the Peace Train" Hahahaha!!!!  |
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Post by Chris on May 1, 2003 20:34:02 GMT -5
I finally was able to give his reply a second reading. Nice Rebuttal Yusuf! Simple and honest without getting to defensive. I liked it. I personally see no need for Yusuf to have to defend his every move regarding his past. Yusuf should be given the opportunity to live in the present, to work on his charities of peace.
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Post by moonshadow on May 1, 2003 21:58:25 GMT -5
Yeah ;D You tell 'em Yusuf!
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Post by Vivian on May 1, 2003 21:58:31 GMT -5
Yusuf came through lile a true champ!! SHORT, SWEET, and RIGHT TO THE POINT!! Let the PEACE TRAIN GLIDE ON!!!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Aisha on May 1, 2003 22:25:34 GMT -5
Even if some or all of the facts of the article are true, it's past history. He's moved on (even moved away!). What can really be said about it...it's just the way he was/the way it was. A point in time. -jen. Excellent point Jen. You know, most people are allowed to put their pasts behind them. I think Yusuf should be given this right too, whether people are saying truthful things about his past or false ones. Everyone should be allowed to move on in life without having our past mistakes (or alleged errors) thrown in our faces. Like I said before, "Yusuf totally rules." Love, A'isha |
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Post by Vivian on May 2, 2003 18:42:24 GMT -5
Like I said before, "Yusuf totally rules." Love, A'isha HE SURE DOES!!! Peace,Vivian |
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Post by yukas on May 4, 2003 4:26:35 GMT -5
:DI love this site. Even if we have the same thread,this site can keep peace and cozy. Thank you,Christine and members. Peace,Yukas
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Post by Aisha on May 4, 2003 10:19:50 GMT -5
I love this place too Yukas. It is people like you who make it such a peaceful place...And a good boss like Christine.  Love, A'isha |
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Post by hummingbird on May 4, 2003 16:51:22 GMT -5
His retort made me laugh. But one thing I can't agree with... everyone keeps criticizing the artwork in GQ. I think it was excellent. Snide or not. I think you've made some on-the-mark points Jen (as always). Most of it IS history and I think Yusuf has quietly moved on. And as he described it, he's quietly continuing with his work. (Brings to mind Silent Sunlight....) I'm sure he'd be happy to just forget the whole thing... which is partly a function of being male -- to pretend nothing ever happened when they faux pas. They just shove it under the rug, act nice and move on... kinda FRUSTRATING, but oh well.... Lucy, funny you mentioned Silent Sunlight. For me, Yusuf's response brought to mind If I Laugh. I guess, it was his use of the phrase "in peace" And...umm, the fact that it made me laugh! Sometimes ya just gotta laugh at things ... -jen. |
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Post by Vivian on May 4, 2003 20:09:13 GMT -5
It sure was amazing that as nasty as that article was, Yusuf was able to have a sense of humor about it!!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by Aisha on May 4, 2003 22:47:14 GMT -5
Vivian, I think Yusuf has learned how to deal with the negativity in a more positive way. He amazes me that he can still smile while some still want to run his name into the ground. Well, you know that you are back in the spotlight when Homer Simpson mentions your name so Yusuf, you are back at the top. Love, A'isha |
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Post by HardheadedSofthrtd on May 4, 2003 23:19:21 GMT -5
Well, you know that you are back in the spotlight when Homer Simpson mentions your name so Yusuf, you are back at the top. Love, A'isha A'isha- Could you clarify that for me? I never get to see The Simpsons. -Joanne Oops, never mind...just read the other thread. :-D -J |
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Post by Vivian on May 5, 2003 20:31:12 GMT -5
Vivian, I think Yusuf has learned how to deal with the negativity in a more positive way. He amazes me that he can still smile while some still want to run his name into the ground. Well, you know that you are back in the spotlight when Homer Simpson mentions your name so Yusuf, you are back at the top. Love, A'isha AMEN TO THAT!! And on top, is where he will stay!! Peace,Vivian |
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Post by kareema113 on May 7, 2003 22:38:02 GMT -5
Salaam alaykom and greetings, You know, the first thing I thought of when I saw the illustrations at yusufislam.org is that the artist may have been using El Greco as an inspriation and perhaps as an inside joke. To quote artchive.com: EL GRECO: PASSIONATE VISIONARY "The greatest Mannerist of them all is the Spanish painter El Greco (Domenicos Theotokopoulos, 1541-1614, called "El Greco" because he was born in Crete). Is this coincidence or God exercising His Supreme sense of humor? Check out this painting. www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/g/greco_el/1576-80/11knight.jpgPeace, kareema |
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Post by Turan on May 8, 2003 10:56:31 GMT -5
Kareema,
ROTFLMAO. Oh my. I hope it was intentional, it makes snide go over the top to baroque levels. If not God and us are laughing at any rate. Thank you.
An interesting spin off of those pics has been some posting of Cuddly Cat drawings on CScom. I hope they are getting into the artwork section.
Turan
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Post by kareema113 on May 9, 2003 1:52:06 GMT -5
Salaam alaykom and greetings,
I stopped at a 7-11 in the middle of the night to pick up some milk yesterday and lo and behold! they carried GQ! It was right there next to Monster Truck World. I wonder if the editors or GQ know what kind of company their rag keeps.
I perused the article in question and it does contain some serious dirt.
I imagine Br Y does regret having ingested whatever he was on the day he told the reporter that he saw and visited a UFO.
As far as the allegations as to the company he kept in his early years as a Muslim, let me relate a story of my own. (I've got a million of them.)
Once upon a time, there was a young co-ed who became enamoured of a grad student from Iran. One of the things she liked about her student was that she fancied that he resembled her favorite balladier of the times. Like her 'idol', he was exotic. He was Muslim, something that her balladier was soon to become, although not even he knew it at that time. Her grad student had even accompanied her to see her balladier in concert in 1976... undoubtedly the only Muslim in the audience.
Her grad student was something called Shi'ite ---- a meaningless term back then.
In between sight-seeing and grocery shopping with her grad student, she often helped to color in the squiggly unintelligible script on banners that he took to these meetings that he attended, something about overthrowing the government of some faraway despot called the Shah. The co-ed had absolutely no knowledge of any world outside her lower middle-class WASP existence. She liked to help her grad student --- he was kind and good to her.
One day while they were working away industriously with his felt-tip pens, she asked him what the banner said that they were coloring in. "Death to the President!", he replied in his lovely accent. She knit her brows in momentary distress. "Could I please color in the ones that say 'Death to the Shah' or 'Iran is the chained dog of US Imperialism' instead?", she queried. "Of course!", he smiled. It was another, more innocent time somehow...
Today, the former co-ed muses about the old days and how a person can never be quite sure of the company she keeps. She has never seen her grad student's name on any wanted list and she prays that it stays that way. She is not important enough to be profiled in the media and happy of it.
Peace,
kareema
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Post by Turan on May 9, 2003 11:36:29 GMT -5
Ahhh, yes, I know a co-ed with similar stories too. LOL
The article infers that Yusuf was part of those working to free Ahmed Omar Sheik (later found guilty of Daniel Pearl's kidnapping and murder). I am sorry the article does not mention then Yusuf's letter pleading for Daniel Pearl's release (wasn't that Yusuf, I can not find a link now). At any rate I hope all those involved in getting AOS free then, have been doing some serious soul searching now.
Turan
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2003 12:09:13 GMT -5
Thanks Kareema, Interesting story. Many people become involved with people or organizations, not realizing the whole scope of what they are involved with until later, then they quietly back out. Turan, it is sad they didn't update the GQ statement by including Yusufs 'Daniel Pearl Plea'. I just did a search on it, just to see how hidden it is, and if it would have been hard for them to locate this information. NOPE... there were quite a few links t o it, including this one from CNN. www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/02/pearl.yusuf.islam/ |
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Post by Aisha on May 9, 2003 12:27:55 GMT -5
Kareema, I know of another Muslim 'revert' who also got close to subversive people. Thanks to Jamal Badawi she quickly got away from them. What happens many times is that in the West a new Muslim has a problem finding other Muslims to interact with. This woman went as far as to put an ad in the newspaper trying to find Muslims back in her 'homeland'. And when she found some she found some good ones and some freaky ones. She hopes to God she is not held in account for those days when she associated with subversives out of ignorance. Christine, if GQ had really wanted to find that statement from Yusuf about Danny Pearl they could have. It is at Mountain of Light and the US website in the archives. They found that UFO thing didn't they, I can't even remember where I read that. I read it a couple of years ago, but can't remember if I read it here or at Cat.com. But I did only see it in once. Love, A'isha |
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Post by Turan on May 9, 2003 13:06:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, Christine. I knew I had read it. I could not find it at MOL or CScom.
Turan
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Post by Vivian on May 9, 2003 21:26:42 GMT -5
I agree with A'isha! If MrTapper wanted to find the plea for Daniel Pearl's life, he would have found it! I guess just finding dirt sold more magazines!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by HardheadedSofthrtd on May 9, 2003 22:25:14 GMT -5
Um, are you guys all blind? Or did you just not bother to read the GQ article all the way through?  Taken directly from the GQ article: "In February 2002, Yusuf was one of several prominent Muslims who unsuccessfully implored Daniel Pearl's captors to set him free." -Joanne |
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