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Post by Affy on Oct 13, 2011 14:38:20 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you ;D not turning out too bad for my first thread, kabobs sounds goood, and new york times wow  LOL if i were you I'd pray that it stays as a good thread  ...(  unlike mine).....LOL anyways Move on......So you agree with New York Times?... Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by suncatcher on Oct 13, 2011 14:40:54 GMT -5
This song goes a long way back, but I think it was very witty, and enjoyed singing along. 'The Laughing Apple'.  It was another one of his storybook telling songs, and when I here it, it makes me feel I'm back in primary school. This is absolutely precious. I love it, Vicki. And perfect in view of your first grandchild being soon on his or her way. Congratulations to you and your daughter. Oh, my, grandmotherhood...Glad we had Yusuf to lead the way into grandparenthood...somehow makes it a little easier. |
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Post by peacock on Oct 13, 2011 15:17:59 GMT -5
I think it's "kabob" in American English and "kebab" in Arabic....(?) Reminds me of an exchange in the silly kids' movie, "A Kid in Aladdin's Palace": Ali Baba: These are my brothers, Hummus, Couscous, and Bob. Calvin: Well, at least he's not named after food. Ali Baba: Bob, short for Kabob. |
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Post by csgoldengirl1 on Oct 13, 2011 17:15:42 GMT -5
affy;I do agree on new york times, It is a brilliant song, complicated, and I think very witty! Good choice! I guess I could call affy BoB"" haha too funny! Attachments:
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Post by aurarisma on Oct 13, 2011 19:17:54 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you
kebobs and cake!!!! I'm on it !! Aurarisma HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA KEBOBS....Thats put me in tears....Its KEB ABS LOL ;D.... Oh I knew this would happen but another song to add to the Clever section....how about " New York Times"... Salaam and God Bless
Just for that I'm going to throw in some WOWWWZA TOO!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Affy on Oct 13, 2011 19:19:29 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you suncatcher....In the UK we all call it Kebab so it must be the weird american language...LOL peacock....hahaha thats a funny joke (Going to share it with the rest of my friends...All 1 of them LOL) @csgoldengirl....Thank you...I thought it was a good choice too....I really like that song! and going to try and not grow up till 50...but being a Male the chances of that are VERY HIGH LOL ;D aurarisma....hahahahaha, I never get bored of that word if I can call it a word. Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by hyacinth on Oct 13, 2011 19:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by csgoldengirl1 on Oct 13, 2011 21:02:45 GMT -5
;D you bunch are hilarious !! i think baby bottle is a unique song alright,witty for sure, and 18 ave I have to agree is genius and also not about a car is my thinkin as well!! Affy, I do think they are picking on you!!  |
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Post by aurarisma on Oct 13, 2011 22:13:09 GMT -5
This song goes a long way back, but I think it was very witty, and enjoyed singing along. 'The Laughing Apple'. It was another one of his storybook telling songs, and when I here it, it makes me feel I'm back in primary school. This is absolutely precious. I love it, Vicki. And perfect in view of your first grandchild being soon on his or her way. Congratulations to you and your daughter. Oh, my, grandmotherhood...Glad we had Yusuf to lead the way into grandparenthood...somehow makes it a little easier.
the pretty little girl at 8 seconds reminds me of regine!! beautiful!!! xo peace ..
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Post by hyacinth on Oct 13, 2011 22:32:21 GMT -5
Affy, I do think they are picking on you!! No, no, I wasn't picking on him - not Baby Bottle, but Bottle Baby. Just remember, Affy, that Cat was a young man caught up in London in the swinging '60's. That was another lifetime ago! "I swam upon the Devil's lake . . . I'll never make the same mistake." |
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Post by suncatcher on Oct 14, 2011 23:10:39 GMT -5
I think it's "kabob" in American English and "kebab" in Arabic....(?) Reminds me of an exchange in the silly kids' movie, "A Kid in Aladdin's Palace": Ali Baba: These are my brothers, Hummus, Couscous, and Bob. Calvin: Well, at least he's not named after food. Ali Baba: Bob, short for Kabob. hahah...Never saw the movie, but that's funny. Guess it'd only work in American English, though...Thanks, peacock. |
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Post by monabonejakoff on Oct 27, 2011 7:30:40 GMT -5
Come on guys..what is wit? intellectual humour right? Well CS was never an intellectual and never ever claimed to be, neither was he witty; he was if anything a serious and thoughtful writer and in none of his songs does he descend to being flip, facetious or witty instead he specialises in deep, esoteric, intelligent, poetic and original and of course reflective and spiritual - he stays clear of angry too though he may have done that elsewhere. Poetic allows suggestive and ambiguous but not witty.
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Post by JaneB on Oct 27, 2011 9:49:48 GMT -5
Come on guys..what is wit? intellectual humour right? Well CS was never an intellectual and never ever claimed to be, neither was he witty; he was if anything a serious and thoughtful writer and in none of his songs does he descend to being flip, facetious or witty instead he specialises in deep, esoteric, intelligent, poetic and original and of course reflective and spiritual - he stays clear of angry too though he may have done that elsewhere. Poetic allows suggestive and ambiguous but not witty. I don't know that I would consider "Bad Brakes" or "Banapple Gas" to be deep and esoteric. I also disagree that something poetic cannot also be witty. Besides, this is just supposed to be a fun thread... |
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Post by Affy on Oct 27, 2011 16:03:27 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you Come on guys..what is wit? intellectual humour right? Well CS was never an intellectual and never ever claimed to be, neither was he witty; he was if anything a serious and thoughtful writer and in none of his songs does he descend to being flip, facetious or witty instead he specialises in deep, esoteric, intelligent, poetic and original and of course reflective and spiritual - he stays clear of angry too though he may have done that elsewhere. Poetic allows suggestive and ambiguous but not witty. I don't know that I would consider "Bad Brakes" or "Banapple Gas" to be deep and esoteric. I also disagree that something poetic cannot also be witty. Besides, this is just supposed to be a fun thread... JaneB is right, its just meant to be a fun thread Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by sabina on Oct 28, 2011 11:36:40 GMT -5
Come on guys..what is wit? intellectual humour right? Well CS was never an intellectual and never ever claimed to be, neither was he witty; he was if anything a serious and thoughtful writer and in none of his songs does he descend to being flip, facetious or witty instead he specialises in deep, esoteric, intelligent, poetic and original and of course reflective and spiritual - he stays clear of angry too though he may have done that elsewhere. Poetic allows suggestive and ambiguous but not witty. :)I kind of like what you say here..but agree with @jane that maybe if we delve too far into semantics the fun may seep out of the thread..it seems that 'fun' is what was intended ......just a light discourse.... ..that Yusuf touches souls so deeply that we occasionally may come out maybe defending or otherwise seemingly stamping out our opinions and feelings can always be forgiven here......and everyone is entitled to their opinion....especially as we are all 'fans'...'admirers' and 'friends' |
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Post by Affy on Oct 28, 2011 12:50:34 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you Come on guys..what is wit? intellectual humour right? Well CS was never an intellectual and never ever claimed to be, neither was he witty; he was if anything a serious and thoughtful writer and in none of his songs does he descend to being flip, facetious or witty instead he specialises in deep, esoteric, intelligent, poetic and original and of course reflective and spiritual - he stays clear of angry too though he may have done that elsewhere. Poetic allows suggestive and ambiguous but not witty. :)I kind of like what you say here..but agree with @jane that maybe if we delve too far into semantics the fun may seep out of the thread..it seems that 'fun' is what was intended ......just a light discourse.... ..that Yusuf touches souls so deeply that we occasionally may come out maybe defending or otherwise seemingly stamping out our opinions and feelings can always be forgiven here......and everyone is entitled to their opinion....especially as we are all 'fans'...'admirers' and 'friends' Sorry Sabina but i disagree, were not Fans or Admirers............................Were Stalkers LOL Hold on a second.......If were stalkers......doesn't that make us Fans and Admirers  Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by sabina on Oct 28, 2011 13:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by csgoldengirl1 on Oct 28, 2011 16:56:08 GMT -5
;D thanks for all the great comments,everyone, I too think that all songs are witty to some extent, weather humorous, sad, reflective,whatever, I think it just depends on the writer, what one may think of as witty to one, may not be to another, I do on the other hand think, cat had great wit, his songs are mysterious, deeply written and some are just plain fun,but always perfect for the time he wrote them, and circumstances he was going thru, and only the meanings are truly clear to him! and yes a fun thread indeed |
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Post by monabonejakoff on Nov 9, 2011 4:45:08 GMT -5
I would like to throw the Cat amongst his pigeons ( SORRY)! I would pose this for your thoughts.
I believe that Cat's most creative act is the setting of his lyrics to uniquely individual, quirky, catchy and yes, musical music. He has a superb singing style which adorns his rather lightweight poetics with a brilliant mantle of vocal weaves. In short his songs are much less without his voice and music overlayed - I have never heard anyone match his interpretations, no matter how accomplished the artist - Cat defines, colours and owns his song like no other artist except perhaps John Martyn who goes one step further and explores his musical capabilities in a far more original way.
Cat latest album Roadsinger is a lightweight when it comes to both music and lyrics and in my opinion he is a spent force when it comes to pushing the boundaries he once walked.
Now - these two singers define the edge of personal skill for me
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Post by JaneB on Nov 9, 2011 12:28:17 GMT -5
I would like to throw the Cat amongst his pigeons ( SORRY)! I would pose this for your thoughts. I believe that Cat's most creative act is the setting of his lyrics to uniquely individual, quirky, catchy and yes, musical music. He has a superb singing style which adorns his rather lightweight poetics with a brilliant mantle of vocal weaves. In short his songs are much less without his voice and music overlayed - I have never heard anyone match his interpretations, no matter how accomplished the artist - Cat defines, colours and owns his song like no other artist except perhaps John Martyn who goes one step further and explores his musical capabilities in a far more original way. Cat latest album Roadsinger is a lightweight when it comes to both music and lyrics and in my opinion he is a spent force when it comes to pushing the boundaries he once walked. Now - these two singers define the edge of personal skill for me I never analyze what I like - I either like it or I don't, and I like Roadsinger as much as I like any of his earlier albums. "...he is a spent force when it comes to pushing the boundaries he once walked." Those don't sound like the words of a fan, or am I misunderstanding? |
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Post by peritura on Nov 9, 2011 12:34:22 GMT -5
I can agree with one thing-Cat/Yusuf's songs are perfectly balanced, with lyrics and music just becoming a perfect union and his own performance of them heightens that sense of perfection.
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 9, 2011 13:26:03 GMT -5
Halo~xox Hope you're all having a beautiful day xo
I agree Jane I think Roadsinger is one of his best albums and right up there with all of his precious catalogues of albums .. I find his albums are like rungs on a ladder all moving upward ... one of the attributes that really separates him from everyone and shows his "charism" is that his message is always filled with "thirst , pathos and enthusiasmos" that his door to his inner house is always open for us to come into too.. and still is . I find that his songs.... everytime I hear them... give me more and more meaning ... constantly unfolding .. ...as we listen to them from his inner house vibrating to ours....because that is the only way to get the unfolding of how deep they can be and still are .... example .. the song Roadsinger .. I just got the true meaning of that song recently... its genius ..!!! it shed light on humanity vs. the innate impulse ... and so autobiographical.
His gift is from God its a charism and something so powerful like that doesnt stop shining .. ... its like a grateful waterfall ... and he has a very rare connection with his fans .. its deep ... and he knows it and that is why he is back .. to fulfill the purpose .. Hes got a gift that is much more than any other lyricist poetic singer to me .
Like Yusuf has said, "My best times are yet to come. I dont know them yet" I guess meaning that life is a gift in the present and the unknown is the best!
I believe him too!
In Joy ~~
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Post by peritura on Nov 9, 2011 13:44:06 GMT -5
How beautifully said, Christina.
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Post by sabina on Nov 9, 2011 13:47:02 GMT -5
:)I ditto @jane, peritura and aurarisma..specially aurarisma's words.. ..true words.. Yusuf writes and sings and performs from the heart...to the heart....that is why his songs never get outworn..but each time you hear them they resonate in your soul ,more and more..... and I too find Roadsinger a beautiful album..... well thats how I feel him in my humble... |
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 9, 2011 13:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by ilovemycat on Nov 9, 2011 14:28:04 GMT -5
his rather lightweight poetics latest album Roadsinger is a lightweight when it comes to both music and lyrics and in my opinion he is a spent force when it comes to pushing the boundaries he once walked. Oh quit tryin' to push our buttons! ;D You're a big fan so knock it off now. |
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Post by monabonejakoff on Nov 9, 2011 17:07:13 GMT -5
I am . there is no doubt about that ..and for many years too but I would like to see a more balance rather and unquestioningly iconic view of what is after all just a man - a man who has literary and creative as well as musical weaknesses too. in m eyes this actually humanises him still further - not only is he charitable, loving, but he is also angry and weak at times and some of those times can be traced in his art.
Now of course he is an unfolding narrative and of course we can follow that narrative from naive young shallow youth of the sixties , to the early seventies when something began to stir that was to then go on to develop into a true search for answers, direction and boundary.. but then there was the period of piffle and contractual obligation before the close down. And thaT
close down was pivotal in his development - did he return with the same yearning, honesty? Did he truly connect with the same stream of mournful poetic aspiration or did he come back more in hope rather than in truth to himself.
He more than most would abhor the unquestioning adoration of his work and would would prefer there to be a understanding that he is still fallible both in his creative skills as well as his personal life and I believe that in itself would allow him more creative freedom.
This show everyone thinks he is planning may well reveal to us all his weaknesses and we must all be prepared to accept them as much as the rest of the critical world.
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Post by peritura on Nov 9, 2011 17:47:39 GMT -5
I agree that Yusuf would not feel comfortable with unquestioning adoration, not something most of us would be offering to him either. It is true that though Roadsinger might not speak to you and others on the same level as earlier work; it certainly does for others. I suppose it all depends on where we are ourselves and how that connects to what Yusuf offers.
Coming back to this thread- I agree with you, I don't think wit has ever been Yusuf's thing. He has always been way too earnest for that. I don't think his art would have spoken to us on this deep emotional level. It is the earnestness that touches the soul.
When it comes to the musical - again everyone will be able to make up their own mind about what it offers to them. I can honestly say the only musical I have ever enjoyed has been Westside Story. So there possibly will be a struggle for me to be convinced. Though I did enjoy the preview sections in the concert. In all honesty that was obviously more to do with the music than the storyline.
Why not wait and see?...
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Post by hyacinth on Nov 9, 2011 17:54:12 GMT -5
1) did he return with the same yearning, honesty? Did he truly connect with the same stream of mournful poetic aspiration or did he come back more in hope rather than in truth to himself. 2) He more than most would abhor the unquestioning adoration of his work and would would prefer there to be a understanding that he is still fallible . . . 3) This show everyone thinks he is planning may well reveal to us all his weaknesses and we must all be prepared to accept them as much as the rest of the critical world. - 1) The same "yearning . . . mournful aspirations"? No, because he's not a young man in his twenties searching for love and spiritual answers. I know when I listen to his early work, I go back to a time and place in the past when I experienced those feelings, too. He's at a different place in life now. So are most of us. As an artist who has reconciled his religion and his music, it is natural that he wants to express himself and share what he has to say now. I do think that he is honest in that he wants to reconnect with fans "on the mended road"; he wants to bridge East and West by sharing his religion, which he believes has answers and has been misrepresented. 2) I agree that he doesn't want his fans to "idolize" him because it places an undue burden of expectations on him, and it contradicts his Islamic sensibilities. We ARE fans here, but I think most of us, although we carry on and joke around on-line, have a healthy view of the real man. We might PM observations that we don't share publicly because this is, after all, a FAN site. 3) The show may reveal weaknesses, or not. I think musicals are risky in any case. But it is something that he has always wanted to do. For many different reasons, something about this particular artist has personal meaning to us. Yusuf has given each of us something special, and we want to show our gratitude to him. As fans, we support his efforts and wish him well - come what may. |
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Post by sabina on Nov 9, 2011 18:05:21 GMT -5
:)You explain your point in a well balanced comment..
@mbjoff......I think if you really look at this site you will discover that there is a very subtle understanding amongst most of us here..its a very special thing...not overt...it brings all of us,very different people, together...
I cannot speak for the man..what he abhors or not...but I kow that there is not much unquestioning adoration....and I reckon we are all capable of seeing infallibility or otherwise...for me I know what you are saying, but I just kind of leave it unsaid....cos its understood without words......I urge anyone to follow their dream...and I cannot in any way see how Yusuf has a perception so under- developed that he would be stunted in his creativity by exoteric stuff...
Thats my perception..it may be wrong....I for one adored the Moonshadow bits of the concert (YYYaaaaYYY)that I saw..I cared not that others thought it weak...
I think I may not be the only person in the world that has come to the realisation that Yusuf's Musical will be more than just a Musical..to Yusuf and all those that cherish him and owe him a great debt....like me....and believe me when I say that any 'weakness' is so precious ,so deeply 'felt' that it becomes a treasure...
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts...but tho my head seems buried in the sand, it really is not...nor do I see many ostriches round here....but plenty of wise owls keeping their own councel....
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;D not turning out too bad for my first thread, kabobs sounds goood, and new york times wow 
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unlike mine).....LOL anyways Move on......So you agree with New York Times?...
It was another one of his storybook telling songs, and when I here it, it makes me feel I'm back in primary school. 
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