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Post by peritura on Nov 9, 2011 18:12:32 GMT -5
Had he returned with the same aspirations he would have been a man-child. We have all seen those entertainers that pretend they are still in their twenties ...not a pretty sight, and quite sad in many ways.
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Post by hyacinth on Nov 9, 2011 20:55:09 GMT -5
I would like to throw the Cat amongst his pigeons ( SORRY)! Oh, just one other thing, Mr. Jakoff. I really wish you would stop with the charm offensive. Most of us are too savvy at our ripe ages to fall for your "sweet nothings", you know, like the endearing thought above. |
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 9, 2011 22:01:21 GMT -5
I am . there is no doubt about that ..and for many years too but I would like to see a more balance rather and unquestioningly iconic view of what is after all just a man - a man who has literary and creative as well as musical weaknesses too. in m eyes this actually humanises him still further - not only is he charitable, loving, but he is also angry and weak at times and some of those times can be traced in his art. Now of course he is an unfolding narrative and of course we can follow that narrative from naive young shallow youth of the sixties , to the early seventies when something began to stir that was to then go on to develop into a true search for answers, direction and boundary.. but then there was the period of piffle and contractual obligation before the close down. And thaT close down was pivotal in his development - did he return with the same yearning, honesty? Did he truly connect with the same stream of mournful poetic aspiration or did he come back more in hope rather than in truth to himself. He more than most would abhor the unquestioning adoration of his work and would would prefer there to be a understanding that he is still fallible both in his creative skills as well as his personal life and I believe that in itself would allow him more creative freedom. This show everyone thinks he is planning may well reveal to us all his weaknesses and we must all be prepared to accept them as much as the rest of the critical world.
... I believe yusuf knows how blessed he is and has an "Essence" which reveals what is uniquely him .. and yes with vulnerabilities ... ...... also being able to be ones highest possibility too ..for him to know this that in itself is a gift .. and he shares all that .. vulnerabilities (not weaknesses as you might call them ) just like us all .. and more often than not when he shows those vulnerabilities which are really strengths they are states of perfection, but I guess it all depends who is looking at it and what their core is all about first off .. we only can see sometimes from where we are at .. . .even his last album which u call contractual was amazing .. I loved it ... I believe he was into it regardless if it was his last contractual album... it has thirst and passion in it .. and answers .. and questions... I sure loved "Nascimento"
I believe he did not "return" but that he came "right back to where he started from " with thirst honesty poeticism .. and enlightenment joy childlike wonder and alittle greek oopa in there too (which contains alot of flavor in the pot too!) ... and even at times mournful expression- perhaps to me he is a bit better than he was in the 70's and I've seen over 2 dozen of his concerts in the 70's..... he is not afraid to be ... I see him .. and .. we see it all .. welll those that can seee and feel it .... and there lies "strength"
and yes , yusuf feels the creative freedom and appreciation from his fans friends and admirers too .. hes touching the pulse..totally for who he is ; the conversations that I've had with him revealed
really the same essence from the 70's .. its so wondrous to see that childlike glow and bounce when he is talking or looking in your eyes , sharing "the real "and laughing with his orchestration of his inner musicality and a bit of that tempered greek ooopa-nesss ..... the connection is so there .. there is no separation .. .. thats such a strength ~ to Be in the pulse of Now .
I dont know who you are Mr. Off ...but.... I believe you are bit "Off" for sure   (I'm coming from a place of love )
I dont know what you are looking for from yusuf ... perhaps you are really looking for something from yourself...
I saw/felt the balance at the European Tour ...like never before ..
We are all wonderful works of art in motion and evolvement .. Life is Beautiful ... alll of It~ all steps as long as we keep keepin' on ...
I cant wait to hear the new album .. with all it truths honesty pathos childlike wonder .. and confrontations ...
.. ... wherever it is I know I can go there .. I've grown with him all my life and he has shaped my heart .. so its a soulmate musicality and a poetic connection that I feel and I dont expect anything from him but what he wants to share with his new music .. he has always taken us into consideration with writing anyway .. thats a bond .. and he knows really he can just produce from his soul and we will relate to it core to core- .... he makes believers of the non believers too... and also the cynical and resigned ... ahem~~  .. which is cool you are entitled to whatever that is you feel ..
and .... as for the fable/musical "Moonshadow"... It will definitely be magical ....like a fable- he has a good team and alot of ideas ... and I'm sure it will showcase alot about him and his journey .. again you might call it weaknesses I call it .. honest and vulnerable .. which is strength and courage... . always ..
the child in the man .. his story of which he can only tell.. I'm aboard that , with unwavering support.
In Joy ~~ |
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Post by Affy on Nov 9, 2011 22:25:34 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you aurarisma I'm going to have a good nights sleep and read your last comment in the morning hehehehe.....Btw im not joking ;D Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by ilovemycat on Nov 9, 2011 23:03:35 GMT -5
Is it not said that some of the finest works of the greatest artists are created when their soul is tortured. At one point he was a tortured soul... today he certainly appears to be as far removed from that place as possible. But I think he still has so much beauty to share with the world - I think he is just warming up... Maybe the passion of youth is missing these days ... is that a bad thing? No - it's just different. His more recent creations are like prayers to me - they are beautiful and elegant in their simplicity (to me). I think All Kinds of Roses is one of his best tunes. And Dream On,,,,I just LOVE it. He is certainly not washed up - gosh I would hate to think of my musical experience without his two latest works included.
I think Peritura hit it on the head when she said "Had he returned with the same aspirations he would have been a man-child."
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 9, 2011 23:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by monabonejakoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:19:55 GMT -5
Well well - the pigeons are a stir. I loved that last message Aurisma it was lovely and every word is right I am looking for answers from myself and the day I surrender my spiritual and intellectual, creative and ethical faculties to someone else will be the day I surrender my existence - you are correct I do love the old man as a friend too and being able to converse with him is an honour I have had but once and that day must have been a bad one for him but i know people who have known him through out his early life and I believe that that soul never changes. he was respected and admired for his ethics and his love of people even all those years ago, he respected people for what they were. Human. But the iron will of a searcher and the creative urge of an artist sometimes contradict each other opening paradoxes that tear the soul hence his "retirement" and it is that which I ask about. Has he returned to make cash ( understandable) or has he returned to make music ? The quality of his music will suffer if he is being pushed by motivations that are not truly reflected in his being and that could lead to a great disappointment for his fans, bank balance and causes let alone himself.
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 10, 2011 10:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 11, 2011 20:14:00 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you aurarisma I'm going to have a good nights sleep and read your last comment in the morning hehehehe.....Btw im not joking ;D Salaam and God Bless
Did you awaken yet from your nights sleep  ?? ;D  |
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Post by Affy on Nov 11, 2011 20:27:12 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you Salaam - Peace be with you aurarisma I'm going to have a good nights sleep and read your last comment in the morning hehehehe.....Btw im not joking ;D Salaam and God Bless
Did you awaken yet from your nights sleep ?? ;D Yes sorry Aurarisma i did but forgot to comment......I completely disagree with Mr.Off about intentions of Yusuf coming back and tbh your reply couldn't have put it any better.......You hit the nail on the head about Mr.off sounding like a hurt employee LOL.... Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by monabonejakoff on Nov 12, 2011 6:41:08 GMT -5
I often come across people like you Aurarisma - they patronize without intention but with the full force of righteousness never the less - I think you are deliberately avoiding hard questions about the journey we all have and sometimes the twists and the turns we make in our misguided weakness moments as you would put it.
As for my work , I am a writer and musician and within that sphere I have plenty of experience in the creative sphere and I respect the old man for his work, it was humbling to sense the honesty and personal nature of his work all those years ago but it came to a screeching halt and in that halt for many years he abrogated responsibility to a greater power - faith and in that faith he let his camel go wandering while he walked. Now he is riding from a tall loping thoroughbred while around him those that encountered him on that walk see a different man, a man who has come to a reconciliation with opinions he had then,that now do match what he held to as a truth. In short this miraculous reinvention is made suspect by those once cherished opinions ( and don't jump to that old bone I wont even mention because its too pathetic ). I think his personal world should remain that ,personal, yet he makes it public through his music and it is edited to reflect the gold aspiration of a new reinvented man. But! His reinvention should be made complete in the revealing of -All- his meanderings and journeying, some of which was through a very painful and negative part of his inner world .
Life is much more complicated that, the nursery ditty, or the supportive cultural fairy tale set to music and in this I think the thinking public would not countenance a one dimensional journey that did not reveal the excruciating inner search of what I believe to be one of the bravest and most loving of human beings I have ever met. In short I want that honesty that I encountered to be shared in all its dark glory towards final redemtion.
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Post by sabina on Nov 12, 2011 7:54:54 GMT -5
Again I say, you express yourself so well MBjackoff....
I understand what you are saying.about the man..you put it well...I end up feeling a bit annoyed sometimes,only because I am confused oft times...and just too deeply embroiled emotionally....Yet, for me too the man is an amazingly brave soul...
Where I perhaps differ in opinion from you is that I do not believe that the Musical will be just a one dimentional fairy tale like exposition..I believe that there will be many layers..each will see what can be revealed to them...how do I know this?..I dont, but I feel it...and as you too have felt the 'pain'..(strange to talk like this..usually this aspect of Yusuf ,for me ,is an inner 'secret' and a non discussable issue, especially here..which is OK) then you too I expect will be able to see the work in all ts depth..? or am I expecting too much.no not from you,but from him?...anyway I would also probably enjoy just a good old story..I love stories.and they dont have to be full of angst or tortured revelation,especially when we have stopped leaking our river into the sand..and have allowed the wind to take us up over and across the desert....I guess knowing that ,about ourselves and him ,makes it a beautiful ending..an ending with no end,,,thankfully...its going to be fine..dont worry..the camel has a bell remember...
(I perhaps sound a little deluded to you...maybe I am...one thing that will make you think that even more so, is that were I to be blinfolded ,ears plugged..hands bound and with a peg on me nose I believe I could still pick him out of a line up by simply standing near for a minute or two...so I guess even if there was no Musical ,I would still hear it...sorry..yeah OK maybe its a straight jacket ...)
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Oh Very Young
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Post by Chris on Nov 12, 2011 9:19:21 GMT -5
Here we go again!! And we wonder why all the old posters are gone?
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(I'm coming from a place of love 
.. which is cool you are entitled to whatever that is you feel ..
;D 
we better stay young !.. 
so I thought I would just to shed light on your views.. 
?? ;D