SuperTrouper
Majik of Majik Member
"You've got so much to say, say what you mean, mean what you think, and think anythin'!"
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Post by SuperTrouper on Oct 22, 2003 15:35:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the concert info, DJ! I'm really glad the show was such a success and that everyone had a great time. Jen, about the KCET guitar-stepover scene, that's what I imagined him doing even before finishing reading your thought!  As silly as it may sound, just seeing that moment would've been enough for me! - Lissette |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 22, 2003 16:50:47 GMT -5
Thanks, Faithfullight , yes, I was VERY glad I went, I still enjoyed the experience. As for the lake of Kauthar, you're right it is the Heavenly Lake. ;D Thanks DJ! |
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Post by Majikat on Oct 22, 2003 17:16:19 GMT -5
First of all, since I just logged in to the website, I hope I don't cause any confusion here with my username. But I have seen Cat twice during the Majikat tour. Besides, I am using the same name on CS.com.
However, writing in a foreign language is somewhat difficult and therefore I prefer reading a message board to writing my own message. -
Although I arrived back home in Germany yesterday in the afternoon (after spending the night in the bus/at the airport/on the plane), only now do I get to read all the postings that have been written so far about the concert.
I agree with what has been said: It was great to see Cat/Yusuf at the Royal Albert Hall and he was clearly enjoying being on stage again.
Let me just add some thoughts:
I was somewhat disappointed by the long delay at the beginning of the concert. It was supposed to begin at 7:00 pm, but we had to wait for about 45 minutes, before the show really started. They played songs and messages (from the new album?), but I thought it a bit strange: sitting in a huge audience, looking at an empty stage, watching the same slide show again and again, listening to pre-recorded music and waiting for something to happen.
The two guest speakers reminded me of those "teleevangelists" in the US during the 1980s ... Especially the second one was IMHO more show than substance.
The first song Yusuf sang ("I look, I see"), which I did like very much, had an interesting line in it:
"I wish, I wish ... " Now THAT definitely sounded familiar.
Introducing the third song with the words "I wrote a song once, called 'The Wind', do you remember?" and then, when parts of the audience, including myself, went wild, hastily adding "No, no, it's not going to come!!!" was, ehem, not very tactful, to say the least.
After thanking everyone on and behind the stage, he finally said "... and mes amis, I have a whole group of fans here, I know, from our websites, and I love you all." !!!
Well, I still love Cat's music, and - despite my criticism - I enjoyed the evening very much. It was really great to see him back on stage again. There's more to come, I am sure!
Special thanks to all of you whom I got a chance to meet before, during and after the show! Where are those photos?
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 22, 2003 19:51:24 GMT -5
Thanks Majikat for sharing your views and welcome to this Majicat!  Hey, I wanted to let all of you know that they posted 6 new pictures from the NOR! They are mixed throughout the first 20 so start viewing them from the beginning again. Peace, Faithfullight |
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Post by Vivian on Oct 22, 2003 19:56:20 GMT -5
Well, I STILL can't access the pics, so I am FORCED to wait until tomorrow, when I go to the library!
Peace,Vivian
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Post by hummingbird on Oct 22, 2003 21:46:39 GMT -5
Oh and one thing that tickled me during the evening, towards the end of the concert when Yusuf was on stage with Khalid and Zain, Yusuf knocked the black spongy part off his mike, he caught it and laughed and when he pushed it back on, he kissed it as if to 'make it better' obviously the actions of a man used to being with children. Cristilina, I thought the very same thing! It was almost as if it were a child's stuffed animal that fell to the floor. He was almost giggly about it....so cute!! |
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Oct 22, 2003 22:13:04 GMT -5
i believe the young boy who was singing throughout the show was zain bikhahs son. he was really adorable, as were all the children. kim and i got a chance to see 'sarah', the young girl who was reciting, and she blushed when we gushed over her performance, too welcome to the site, 'majikat'... as far as the delay, this is known as 'muslim time' LOL i generally spend half my time in england 'waiting'... if something starts at 5 you can be sure no one will show up til six. yusuf seemed incredibly relaxed and happy. and how about that mohammad eh? he looks just a tad like daddy, no?? |
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Post by hummingbird on Oct 22, 2003 22:24:16 GMT -5
Colleen!! Are you home yet??
I didn't mind the wait so much myself...I was in no hurry for the evening to be over. Kind of wanted to take it all in. When will I have this sort of opportunity again??
Mohammed, yes he looks a tad like his dad...lol! Very modern too if I might add.
Majikat, hope you got back to Germany okay...it was great that you came out to meet us.
-jen.
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Post by hummingbird on Oct 22, 2003 22:36:56 GMT -5
It all sounds so absolutely wonderful. I would have given anything to be able to attend. What memories you all shall have. Thank you Yusuf. Welcome back even if for just a little while. Congratulations for the success. ~~cheers MissKitty Miss Kitty, I thought of you during the show because from our seats we had a verrry nice view of Yusuf's hands. -jen. |
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Post by DiddleMingyAdams on Oct 22, 2003 23:58:50 GMT -5
Miss Kitty, I thought of you during the show because from our seats we had a verrry nice view of Yusuf's hands. -jen. yes..... sigh |
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Post by Chris on Oct 23, 2003 1:36:13 GMT -5
Welcome to Majicat, HTST and Majikat! It's always nice to read alternating views of the same concert. It gives us (wish we were there posters) a more complete view of what we missed. Majikat as for that 45 minute late start, I seem to remember seeing Cat in the 1976 Majikat tour as well, and darn if he didn't start late then as well. Does anyone know an estimate of how many fans from these sites and other long time fans, were in the audience? Christine |
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Post by Celticat on Oct 23, 2003 5:06:22 GMT -5
How wonderful to read these posts!! A very big THANK YOU!! to everyone who attended for sharing your experiences with us. I feel so much better now and know that we were all there in spirit...
Welcome back to us Yusuf!!
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Post by MissKitty on Oct 23, 2003 6:51:36 GMT -5
Miss Kitty, I thought of you during the show because from our seats we had a verrry nice view of Yusuf's hands. -jen. Thanks for thinking about me.... I have always loved his hands.... lol..... Now I wish even more that I had been there. ~~cheers MK |
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Post by SoulOfTheRose on Oct 23, 2003 9:33:19 GMT -5
Welcome to the site all newbies! ;D I love hearing these different perspectives...what fun..heheeh *sigh* (lol)
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Post by Vivian on Oct 23, 2003 9:44:22 GMT -5
Welcome to the site all newbies! ;D I love hearing these different perspectives...what fun..heheeh *sigh* (lol) AND ENVY...YEP! Love hearing them, anyway! Peace,Vivian |
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Post by cristalina on Oct 24, 2003 6:31:28 GMT -5
[quote author=Majikat link=board=Concerts& The two guest speakers reminded me of those "teleevangelists" in the US during the 1980s ... Especially the second one was IMHO more show than substance. Hi Majikat, glad to see you arrived home safely, bet you were tired. I have to agree about the speakers, the first wasn't too bad, but the second, wow, I thought he was trying to brainwash us and he just seemed to go on and on. Soon forgot about them though when Yusuf came on stage I'm all for listening to their point of view, but I don't want to be preached at. |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 24, 2003 8:31:08 GMT -5
[quote author=Majikat "The two guest speakers reminded me of those "teleevangelists" in the US during the 1980s ... Especially the second one was IMHO more show than substance."I have to agree about the speakers, the first wasn't too bad, but the second, wow, I thought he was trying to brainwash us and he just seemed to go on and on. Soon forgot about them though when Yusuf came on stage I'm all for listening to their point of view, but I don't want to be preached at. Majikat and Cristalina, What was the second speaker saying? What was he trying to "brainwash"? Oh no. You know I don't like to hear about that.  I have a thing about tele-evangelists. There's not many that I like to listen to.  Peace, Faithfullight |
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Post by Aisha on Oct 24, 2003 15:14:14 GMT -5
Faithful, the only tele-evangelist I have respect for is Billy Graham. He seems to live by what he preaches.
Love,
K
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Post by that’sDOCTOR2u on Oct 24, 2003 16:05:39 GMT -5
Majikat and Cristalina, What was the second speaker saying? What was he trying to "brainwash"? Oh no. You know I don't like to hear about that. I have a thing about tele-evangelists. There's not many that I like to listen to. Peace, Faithfullight Faithfullight, the second speaker was Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. He is a scholar and powerful speaker. He wasn't trying to brainwash anyone. I believe he thought he was speaking to a largely Muslim audience. Perhaps that accounts for the preceived tone of his message. Personally I liked what he had to say. But I can see how folks coming to the concert for music may have been less enthusiastic by what he had to say. ..kim |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 24, 2003 18:13:20 GMT -5
Faithful, the only tele-evangelist I have respect for is Billy Graham. He seems to live by what he preaches. Love, K Hello Moonshadowgirl! I'm happy to see you post again! Yep, if a preacher is going to do the talk then he also needs to do the walk! Love ya! Faithfullight |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 24, 2003 18:25:54 GMT -5
Faithfullight, the second speaker was Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. He is a scholar and powerful speaker. He wasn't trying to brainwash anyone. I believe he thought he was speaking to a largely Muslim audience. Perhaps that accounts for the preceived tone of his message. Personally I liked what he had to say. But I can see how folks coming to the concert for music may have been less enthusiastic by what he had to say. ..kim Kim, I haven't heard any speeches from Shaykh Hamza Yusuf so I wouldn't know what to think about him. I'm sure that if someone attended an event that was of a different branch of religion than what one follows, there would be found zealous attitudes under whichever denomination that it was. As long as an evangelist teaches love and peace for all mankind, then I'm fine with 'em. It's the ones who teach that other religious beliefs are headed for hell that I don't want any part of listening to. There seems to be many of those type of evangelists on tv, and those are the ones whom I stay away from. They are missing the message of God's love and mercy, and the understanding of the path of righteousness. I hope and pray that Shaykh Hamza Yusuf's speech was positive and in line with peace. Peace, Faithfullight |
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Post by hummingbird on Oct 24, 2003 21:03:37 GMT -5
I hope and pray that Shaykh Hamza Yusuf's speech was positive and in line with peace. Peace, Faithfullight Yes, I would have to say it was. The message was fine, it was the delivery that was a bit incongruous with the tone of the evening. He was a bit, ummm, loud and forceful. Sometimes that technique can backfire. I liked the boxer's (Prince Nassim ?) speech  |
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Post by HTST on Oct 24, 2003 22:25:44 GMT -5
well i just want to make a reply about "tele-evangelist"
I would have to say that i thougth the speaker was very respectful of of the religions present, as were all the rest of the speakers.
After listening to the other Yusuf I didnt hear him say...
"And i want you all to pay me $100...towards the cause of course"
He was stating in a strong way that certain faces of islam should be more public as opposed to the western media image of the islamic fundamentalist bombers they always show. He wanted the peaceful side of islam to show and he stated that all religions should be more faithful to their spirit of peace and reconciliation instead of the bickering, death, and destruction that there is today.
Also it was a night to recognise islamic religion, so that was to be expected, we all knew going in there yusuf islam wasnt going to burst into moonshadow right? The speakers always were respectful, and i never once heard them slander other religions there. I myself am christian, and i took from it a deeper feeling for my own religious beliefs. I did notice that the speakers avoided over use of the word "Islam", and used the term "religion" which is more acceptable to most. i.e.
the rappers said they want people to think of their religion and coming back to it more fully.
Believe me i come from a background where religious persecution is common, and sometimes very subtle, i detected very little bab vibes as it were from that night.
lets not detract from it more than we have to. Although i do agree the 45 minute wait at the start of the concert was a little bit disconcerting
Not stepping on anyones toes of course, just putting my views across.... disclaimer for all the easily irritated people out there.
ciao
HTST
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Post by Chris on Oct 24, 2003 23:03:02 GMT -5
Thank You HTST,
Even though I didn't attend the concert and can not really say what was said or how. Knowing that it was an Islam benefit, I figured there would be some Religious talk.
I think it's nice to see that the peaceful fractions of Islam is trying to speak out, by stating that Islam is not all terrorism like the nightly news tries to paint it.
After all it was a night of Peace and Islam.
Christine
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Post by hummingbird on Oct 25, 2003 11:50:52 GMT -5
HTST, thanks for the summary of Hamza Yusuf's talk. I found myself recoiling a little, or perhaps tuning him out, just because of his style. At the same time I envy someone who can emote in that way.
-jen.
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Post by HTST on Oct 25, 2003 13:56:30 GMT -5
I am not sure what the rest of the group thought of the other yusufs talk, but i found it quite entertaining and thoughtful when he included the cat stevens fans in his talks by quoting lines from cat's old songs to back up his speech including one from "silent Sunlight".
I am not sure how yusuf Islam took that, because he wasnt on stage at the time. So I dont know if he liked it and approved of the recognition of his previous works or disapproved because he is still trying to separate himself from his former life. Either way, I liked it.
Anyway, keep chatting
HTST
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Post by Aisha on Oct 25, 2003 14:10:59 GMT -5
I think Hamza Yusuf is a dynamic speaker, someone the Islamic community should listen to.
From the time I have been on the internet (during my Islam years) I have heard this statement many times from people who don't know about Islam, "Why don't Muslims speak out against what is happening in the 'Name of Islam' in our world." People complained to me that Muslims remained too silent about what things are really about in Islam. I agreed with those people and I hope that people like our Yusuf and Hamza Yusuf will continue having 'Nights of Remembrance' to show a positive aspect of Islam and its place in the world. It is a very misunderstood religion, but I think that most religion these days is misunderstood. I hope that in all religions people will start standing up for the truth of a loving and compassionate God who wants peace and love for all mankind.
Okay, I won't go into a spiel here...LOL Everyone knows my stand on peace.
Love,
C
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Post by Turan on Oct 25, 2003 14:15:40 GMT -5
I am not sure what the rest of the group thought of the other yusufs talk, but i found it quite entertaining and thoughtful when he included the cat stevens fans in his talks by quoting lines from cat's old songs to back up his speech including one from "silent Sunlight". I am not sure how yusuf Islam took that, because he wasnt on stage at the time. So I dont know if he liked it and approved of the recognition of his previous works or disapproved because he is still trying to separate himself from his former life. Either way, I liked it. Anyway, keep chatting HTST LOL, HTST, Yusuf does it alot himself. Point would be does he like others doing it? You are making me really curious what Hamza said. I have enjoyed listening to 2 or 3 of his speeches in the past. I gather from reading at MOL that at least one person went specifically to hear Hamza. Interesting for us who are firstly interested in Y I, huh? Turan |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 25, 2003 14:16:59 GMT -5
well i just want to make a reply about "tele-evangelist" I would have to say that i thougth the speaker was very respectful of of the religions present, as were all the rest of the speakers. After listening to the other Yusuf I didnt hear him say... "And i want you all to pay me $100...towards the cause of course" He was stating in a strong way that certain faces of islam should be more public as opposed to the western media image of the islamic fundamentalist bombers they always show. He wanted the peaceful side of islam to show and he stated that all religions should be more faithful to their spirit of peace and reconciliation instead of the bickering, death, and destruction that there is today. Also it was a night to recognise islamic religion, so that was to be expected, we all knew going in there yusuf islam wasnt going to burst into moonshadow right? The speakers always were respectful, and i never once heard them slander other religions there. I myself am christian, and i took from it a deeper feeling for my own religious beliefs. I did notice that the speakers avoided over use of the word "Islam", and used the term "religion" which is more acceptable to most. i.e. the rappers said they want people to think of their religion and coming back to it more fully. Believe me i come from a background where religious persecution is common, and sometimes very subtle, i detected very little bab vibes as it were from that night. lets not detract from it more than we have to. Although i do agree the 45 minute wait at the start of the concert was a little bit disconcerting Not stepping on anyones toes of course, just putting my views across.... disclaimer for all the easily irritated people out there. ciao HTST Thank you HTST for sharing your views. I feel relieved in what you shared. I am so tired of the fighting that goes on about religion and people bickering about who is better than the rest! I am just so sick of that type of arrogant attitude and I cringe anytime I hear anyone talk like that about their religion. I am so happy that you said that the speakers were very respectful of other religions. I love the peaceful side of Islam and I hope that Yusuf's efforts to help the peace shine within Islam is shone bright to overshadow the fundamentalistic, destructive view. Yusuf is right in trying to bring out the peace of Islam as it was intended to be. I wish him the best in these peace efforts. HTST: "I did notice that the speakers avoided over use of the word "Islam", and used the term "religion" which is more acceptable to most. i.e." That makes me happy. ;D I want so much for bigotry to end! I just wish for all people to embrace each other in a loving nature with understanding, patience and tolerance. We don't all have to think alike about religious preferences, but if we want to find peace, then we need to respect one another and focus on love for one another and help each other when someone is in need without prejudice. If we could all view all of mankind as one humanity, then we could come together in peace and harmony. Thank you again, HTST. Peace, Faithfullight |
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Post by faithfullight on Oct 25, 2003 14:45:26 GMT -5
"HTST, thanks for the summary of Hamza Yusuf's talk. I found myself recoiling a little, or perhaps tuning him out, just because of his style. At the same time I envy someone who can emote in that way."
-jen. Jen, What do you think made you feel that way? Can you zone in on what he did or said that made you repel from his speech? I am interested in what happened. Thanks for sharing your views. Peace, Faithfullight ---------- "I am not sure what the rest of the group thought of the other yusufs talk, but i found it quite entertaining and thoughtful when he included the cat stevens fans in his talks by quoting lines from cat's old songs to back up his speech including one from "silent Sunlight".
I am not sure how yusuf Islam took that, because he wasnt on stage at the time. So I dont know if he liked it and approved of the recognition of his previous works or disapproved because he is still trying to separate himself from his former life. Either way, I liked it.
Anyway, keep chatting"
HTSTHTST, I wish I could have heard what they spoke about. I hope that Yusuf did approve of him referring to his past because it is a part of Yusuf’s life and what helped him to evolve into who he is today. Peace, Faithfullight ---------- "I think Hamza Yusuf is a dynamic speaker, someone the Islamic community should listen to.
I hope that people like our Yusuf and Hamza Yusuf will continue having 'Nights of Remembrance' to show a positive aspect of Islam and its place in the world. It is a very misunderstood religion, but I think that most religion these days is misunderstood. I hope that in all religions people will start standing up for the truth of a loving and compassionate God who wants peace and love for all mankind."
Love,
COkay, now which letter do you want to go by K or C? What was the overall essence of Hamza Yusuf’s speeches in the past? Was he really displaying tolerance and love for all people? I also hope that Yusuf and other Muslims will continue to bring out the positive views of a loving and compassionate God whom created us all. That's the God that I know. Goodness, wouldn't we all be in a big heap of trouble if God wasn't loving and compassionate! Peace, Faithfullight
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As silly as it may sound, just seeing that moment would've been enough for me!
I have a thing about tele-evangelists. There's not many that I like to listen to. 
