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Post by aurarisma on Oct 4, 2011 11:10:28 GMT -5
It's not the question of catching his lips moving out of sync at all; he's miming really well, in fact the whole band does. But can't you hear it's the album studio recording in question? I'm typing from the work at the moment and have no speakers, but remembering 'ad hoc', the clue should be the orchestration part in "Morning has broken" and female backing vocals in "Banapple Gas", none of which can be seen here, of course. They're miming to two studio recordings, that's all.
take it for what you want but if you're not in music indie its difficult to understand that .. very little lipsynching went on in the 70's contrary to what some think here .. "added tracks" yes .. but not lipsynching .
and" miming" is what Jacques Cousteau did lol... j/k
lipsynching is what alot of singers did on Soul Train
but you wouldn't catch Cat lipsynching .Todd Rundgren always sang to tracks because number one he wanted to play all the instruments!!!BUT he sang LIVE as well!
you are all going to use your layman ideas on this and u can continue to poll if he sang LIVE or not but I don't believe you all understand that parts of the music can be prerecorded and they are called tracks .. and they are added to what is LIVE and that was Jean and Cat . and I surely dont mean any disrespect at all here xoxo only love xoxo
It is LIVE vocals definitely . Its quite heartbreaking that one could even think that the vocals on Morning has Broken was taped lol....
peace xoxoxoxo
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Post by bookworm on Oct 4, 2011 11:34:05 GMT -5
It's easy to see why someone may get the impression this was lip-synched. Least of which is the clean audio during the song and muddier audio during the clapping. Of course the performance would be
mic'd differently....
All the movement of his head and body during the
singing and the constant of the audio again would have one wondering...
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Post by peritura on Oct 4, 2011 12:07:52 GMT -5
miming" is what Jacques Cousteau did lol... l It is LIVE vocals definitely . Its quite heartbreaking that one could even think that the vocals on Morning has Broken was taped lol.... peace xoxoxoxo Christina, did you mean Marcel Marceau? I think Jacques Cousteau was a diver and explorer?  |
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Post by aurarisma on Oct 4, 2011 12:25:45 GMT -5
miming" is what Jacques Cousteau did lol... l It is LIVE vocals definitely . Its quite heartbreaking that one could even think that the vocals on Morning has Broken was taped lol.... peace xoxoxoxo Christina, did you mean Marcel Marceau? I think Jacques Cousteau was a diver and explorer?
it was a joke !!! lol.... like what you all thought miming was lol get it !!!! lol I thought it was funny!!!!!!! Glad you got it!!!!!!! |
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Post by Affy on Oct 4, 2011 12:41:48 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you It's not the question of catching his lips moving out of sync at all; he's miming really well, in fact the whole band does. But can't you hear it's the album studio recording in question? I'm typing from the work at the moment and have no speakers, but remembering 'ad hoc', the clue should be the orchestration part in "Morning has broken" and female backing vocals in "Banapple Gas", none of which can be seen here, of course. They're miming to two studio recordings, that's all.
take it for what you want but if you're not in music indie its difficult to understand that .. very little lipsynching went on in the 70's contrary to what some think here .. "added tracks" yes .. but not lipsynching .
and" miming" is what Jacques Cousteau did lol...
lipsynching is what alot of singers did on Soul Train
but you wouldn't catch Cat lipsynching .Todd Rundgren always sang to tracks because number one he wanted to play all the instruments!!!BUT he sang LIVE as well!
you are all going to use your layman ideas on this and u can continue to poll if he sang LIVE or not but I don't believe you all understand that parts of the music can be prerecorded and they are called tracks .. and they are added to what is LIVE and that was Jean and Cat . and I surely dont mean any disrespect at all here xoxo only love xoxo
It is LIVE vocals definitely . Its quite heartbreaking that one could even think that the vocals on Morning has Broken was taped lol....
peace xoxoxoxo
I dont know enought on the subject to even comment but... GO ON Aurarisma Give them all a telling off ;D Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by Milan on Oct 4, 2011 13:25:26 GMT -5
I follow ya - you mean he's singing it live over the studio version (or a pre-recorded one for that show) playing in the background, right? I'm familiar with that. Hey, I remember The Beatles guesting on the David Frost show in september '68 - Paul is singing Hey Jude and you can quite clearly hear two Paul's voices - one coming from the pre-recorded tape, and the other from his mic, which was on. Pretty funny. It's on Youtube as well. Still, that voice in MHB sounds very '71 LP to me. Not convinced, sorry. If only he muttered "thank you" into that mic after the song, dammit ;D Hey, that VHS tape... I got it years ago from the newly tonsured bishop. |
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Post by crobarbie on Oct 4, 2011 17:57:02 GMT -5
Well, someone can either beleive in UFO's if she or he wants :-) my vote for Milan and his statement "They're miming to two studio recordings, that's all." ;D
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Post by aurarisma on Oct 4, 2011 18:40:32 GMT -5
I adore you Milan and give my regards to the new Bishop xoxo Peace xoox x
but...... Well what ever you do dont lose your day jobs guys and gals... heheheeheheh love and peace and soullllllllllllllllllllllllllll xoxoxoxoxxoxoxooxo 
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Post by aurarisma on Oct 4, 2011 19:48:31 GMT -5
I follow ya - you mean he's singing it live over the studio version (or a pre-recorded one for that show) playing in the background, right? I'm familiar with that. Hey, I remember The Beatles guesting on the David Frost show in september '68 - Paul is singing Hey Jude and you can quite clearly hear two Paul's voices - one coming from the pre-recorded tape, and the other from his mic, which was on. Pretty funny. It's on Youtube as well. Still, that voice in MHB sounds very '71 LP to me. Not convinced, sorry. If only he muttered "thank you" into that mic after the song, dammit ;D Hey, that VHS tape... I got it years ago from the newly tonsured bishop.
no he wasnt singing over his voice .. he was singing live with a background track altho jean was playing LIVE and CAT was LIVE too in Morning has Broken lol ...thats what production boards and managers of sound are all about .. quite hard to explain really ... many dfferent sounds a microphone can make reverbs are made in so many different ways .. its all mixing .. really no other way of explaining .. once u have been in a booth or studio its interesting the magic they can make .. xoxoxo but I"m not here to convince anyone . oxooxoxoxo one has to go on what they know and feel xoxoxo
Steves/Yusuf's always had a spot on voice ! one of the best LIVE voices ever .... |
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Post by ilovemycat on Oct 4, 2011 20:26:53 GMT -5
I agree he has one of the most spot on voices ever - but he sure looks like he is lip synching to me too ;D if he is...he's doing a very convincing job with the head bobs. I'm just wondering why this matters so much though?  I have to go find Paul lip synching now... |
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Post by M. on Nov 6, 2011 15:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by JaneB on Nov 6, 2011 15:50:51 GMT -5
The first clue should be the fact that this recording sounds PRECISELY like the one on the record. I should know; I've listened to it umptyzillion times.  And the other two times I've heard it live, he has 1.) performed it WAY too fast, or 2.) started to sing the 3rd verse instead of the 2nd and quickly corrected himself. Which makes me think - he sure messes up a lot, doesn't he? Back then one could ascribe it to "oxeeegin" or something else. Now, I guess we can forgive him for being 63 and a bit rusty. But I suspect anxiety might play a part, too, don't you? Precisely and exactly like the one on "Teaser and the Firecat." I listened to the video and then listened to the one on the album. No doubt in my mind they are exactly the same. |
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Post by JaneB on Nov 6, 2011 15:55:35 GMT -5
I dont know enought on the subject to even comment but... GO ON Aurarisma Give them all a telling off ;D Salaam and God Bless I could have sworn you chastised many of us a few weeks back for such behavior, and now you're encouraging it? Some people can have their opinions but others can't? I'm confused... |
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Post by JaneB on Nov 6, 2011 18:14:28 GMT -5
That's great, M! Thanks for posting. |
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Post by aurarisma on Nov 6, 2011 19:58:15 GMT -5
its fun and fabulous !!! thanks for sharing!! someone spelled opportunities like > opportunitys tho ooo well..still lovely!
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Post by Affy on Nov 6, 2011 19:59:51 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you I dont know enought on the subject to even comment but... GO ON Aurarisma Give them all a telling off ;D Salaam and God Bless I could have sworn you chastised many of us a few weeks back for such behavior, and now you're encouraging it? Some people can have their opinions but others can't? I'm confused...  Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by JaneB on Nov 7, 2011 9:48:15 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you I could have sworn you chastised many of us a few weeks back for such behavior, and now you're encouraging it? Some people can have their opinions but others can't? I'm confused... Salaam and God Bless Even more confused |
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Post by M. on Nov 7, 2011 11:48:05 GMT -5
 Salaam - Peace be with you, Jane... and God Bless  |
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Post by Affy on Nov 7, 2011 12:34:22 GMT -5
Salaam - Peace be with you Salaam - Peace be with you, Jane... and God Bless Ditto Salaam and God Bless |
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Post by blossom on Dec 19, 2011 12:55:24 GMT -5
... :)nice...
Phew,,!
Has anyone any info on this....never released?
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Post by JaneB on Dec 19, 2011 13:09:30 GMT -5
There is a thread somewhere on this - it is from a bootleg CD called "9 Lives." The CD contains demos of three songs that were never released. I'm sure if you Google "Cat Stevens 9 Lives" you can find a free download. This CD surfaced just a few months before the Remastered "Teaser and the Firecat" and "Tea for the Tillerman" were released - both of which contain a few of these demos. It was undoubtedly someone who worked on that project that bootlegged the CD.
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Post by blossom on Dec 19, 2011 13:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by JaneB on Dec 19, 2011 13:53:38 GMT -5
"Who'll Be My Love" was his original name for the song that became "Rubylove." Alun Davies' daughter would always ask Cat to "play the rubylove song" so he changed the name of the song.
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Post by blossom on Dec 19, 2011 14:01:18 GMT -5
Ah thank you that solves the mystery of why Rubylove kept appearing when I typed in Who'll be my love.....  Sweet anecdote too........ |
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Post by hyacinth on Dec 19, 2011 19:45:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, Jane.
I'm reposting the demo from the "Listening to Now" thread. Some folks might not notice this version of "Don't Be Shy" on YouTube because you can get the later version that was done for the movie. They might think the demo is rougher, less finished and, therefore, skip it, which would be a real shame.
I think this demo really highlights what makes Yusuf one of the greatest - the voice, music and range of expression are flawless IMO. This version is slightly different from the final one and just perfect in its simplicity and beauty.
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Post by Affy on Dec 19, 2011 22:40:03 GMT -5
Salaam LOL heres the link to the Bootleg CD that Jane mentioned. Blossom i hope it works for you too LOL. www.megaupload.com/?d=D54YOBBUOnce you click the link just wait about 10 seconds then click regular download and then a small window should pop up then click save and wait for a few mins a poof you now have 9 Lives CD. I hope i made that sound simple coz it is. Heres the playlist 1. Wild World 2. If I Laugh 3. Can This Be Love 4. Changes IV 5. Katmandu 6. Morning Has Broken 7. It's So Good 8. Tuesday's Dead 9. Don't Be Shy 10. Who'll Be My Love 11. Moonshadow 12. How Can I Tell You 13. Peace Train 14. The Fisherman 15. If You Want To Sing Out, Sing Out and must say amazing to listen to......Thanks Jane for bringing it to my attention P.S if it dont work for anyone give me a PM and i will help you sort it out. Peace! |
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Post by blossom on Dec 20, 2011 11:20:36 GMT -5
:)Thank you publicly for all your techie help with this.....you are a fine young man........and I am hearing this for the first time..THANKS AFFY!!!!!!Duck!!!  |
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Post by Affy on Dec 20, 2011 11:26:26 GMT -5
:)Thank you publicly for all your techie help with this.....you are a fine young man........and I am hearing this for the first time..THANKS AFFY!!!!!!Duck!!! No Problems - I'm glad that i could help 9 Lives is just amazing.....sooo amazing i'm going to put them on my ipod with the originals. Especially don't be shy - its sooo much slower and still great to listen to. Peace! |
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Post by JaneB on Dec 20, 2011 12:16:40 GMT -5
One thing worth adding: when this CD first surfaced and many either purchased it (eBay) or got it through other means, many of us felt that it was appropriate to pay some sort of compensation to the artist himself. We did that by making individual donations to Small Kindness. While I treasure this CD, I felt it was only right to direct some compensation Yusuf's way because, after all, it is his music. Please consider this if you decide to enjoy this CD.
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Post by blossom on Dec 20, 2011 12:48:57 GMT -5
:)Good idea Jane! ... a great way to say thank you.... |
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